Tim Miller

Conversation about Israel and also conversation about immigration, like how much of a national populist movement should we be?

Should we be heritage Americans?

You know, what should our foreign policy be?

And Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens have been kind of at the forefront of the more nationalist conspiratorial side of this.

Ben Shapiro gave a speech last night in Arizona pushing back on that.

That was pretty striking, the degree to which he went after them.

And I just wanna, if anyone could bear with us with the Ben Shapiro voice.

If you're on 1.5 speed right now, you might wanna move it back down so you can understand them.

Let's listen to Ben Shapiro in Arizona.

Well, unless she's also part of the plot to murder mid-level American political commentators, which is part of the theory as well.

I agree with all that.

I guess by one note, and I've both on social media now here, I've praised everything that Ben said, no lies detected, as they say, about Candace and Tucker and Steve Bannon.

Here's the problem with it, though.

Trump is the apex predator, right?

Like Charlie was his minion, not to kill the metaphor here.

But even Ben, in those remarks, like no one benefits from and no one has yet had the gumption to just address the real issue, which is the biggest conspirator in the whole party is not Tucker or Candace, but is the president of the United States.

person screwing the economy is the president of the United States.

And the MAGA movement cannot possibly move back to sanity and sobriety and anti-grifting when the leader of it is a grifter and a conspiracist.

He's both though.

You can be both.