Tim Pierce

And there's a fascinating insight from a therapist we interview who says that when you kind of get cancelled, when you're cast out, it's the ultimate way for evolution to put you on edge. You're being ostracized. Traditionally, we would have lived in our bands, in our tribes. And when you're cast out, that means you're vulnerable to other tribes, to dinosaurs, to lions, to anything.

So it's very, very destabilizing to be ostracized. And people are being ostracized for the smallest things. There was a lecturer at a university who... You know, he wasn't getting on great with some of his colleagues because he was questioning some of the orthodoxy. And they decided to sort of get rid of him.

So it's very, very destabilizing to be ostracized. And people are being ostracized for the smallest things. There was a lecturer at a university who... You know, he wasn't getting on great with some of his colleagues because he was questioning some of the orthodoxy. And they decided to sort of get rid of him.

And they collected microaggressions that he was accused of, including talking about the male and female ends of cables. You know, if anyone's ever had a cable, there's a male and a female. Go on Amazon. It's what you call. He was told he was being sexist by referring to that terminology. And he was kicked out of his job. He spiraled, he ended up on antidepressants.

And they collected microaggressions that he was accused of, including talking about the male and female ends of cables. You know, if anyone's ever had a cable, there's a male and a female. Go on Amazon. It's what you call. He was told he was being sexist by referring to that terminology. And he was kicked out of his job. He spiraled, he ended up on antidepressants.

So there's a kind of lack of humanity and a lack of empathy for men, which runs through all this.

So there's a kind of lack of humanity and a lack of empathy for men, which runs through all this.

I would say, by and large, DEI is alive and kicking over here. I think some of the big companies, where they are US-facing, have pulled back a bit. I think a number of others have doubled down and say, okay, we think this is important. And the institutes and directors over here found that a vast majority of big companies are still running DEI programs.

I would say, by and large, DEI is alive and kicking over here. I think some of the big companies, where they are US-facing, have pulled back a bit. I think a number of others have doubled down and say, okay, we think this is important. And the institutes and directors over here found that a vast majority of big companies are still running DEI programs.

it's still very much alive and kicking in academia. And police forces here and our National Health Service are still insisting on whiteness training, even though all the data shows that these courses backfire. There's a really interesting Harvard professor, Frank Dobbin, who we've been speaking to, who's looked at data sets for 8 million people who've been through DEI courses.

it's still very much alive and kicking in academia. And police forces here and our National Health Service are still insisting on whiteness training, even though all the data shows that these courses backfire. There's a really interesting Harvard professor, Frank Dobbin, who we've been speaking to, who's looked at data sets for 8 million people who've been through DEI courses.

And the studies show that when you run these courses, it actually has a negative effect. It doesn't help women. It doesn't help people from minority backgrounds. Because you're essentially saying to white blokes, hey, by the way, you're all unconsciously racist and you're all privileged. And the natural reaction when someone calls you racist isn't to say, well, God, John, that's a brilliant point.

And the studies show that when you run these courses, it actually has a negative effect. It doesn't help women. It doesn't help people from minority backgrounds. Because you're essentially saying to white blokes, hey, by the way, you're all unconsciously racist and you're all privileged. And the natural reaction when someone calls you racist isn't to say, well, God, John, that's a brilliant point.

I never thought of that. I am so racist. It's to say, well, F you. I don't want to be part of this. So, you know, I go back to the, you know, the original thing being Of course we should tackle discrimination where it exists.

I never thought of that. I am so racist. It's to say, well, F you. I don't want to be part of this. So, you know, I go back to the, you know, the original thing being Of course we should tackle discrimination where it exists.

There are just smarter ways to do that, you know, with mentoring, with work experience, with skills training in companies, not by running these courses, which ultimately are inspired by a cultural form of Marxism and crudely divide the world into oppressed and oppressor. And if you're white and male, you are automatically an oppressor, regardless of what your background is.

There are just smarter ways to do that, you know, with mentoring, with work experience, with skills training in companies, not by running these courses, which ultimately are inspired by a cultural form of Marxism and crudely divide the world into oppressed and oppressor. And if you're white and male, you are automatically an oppressor, regardless of what your background is.

If you could be working class, you could be blue collar, it doesn't matter. And billions, $40 billion or so a year is spent on these courses. And for what? They make things worse for those men to help and they demonize men. But to say this, whoa, you know, look at you, you're a crazy sort of lunatic for even questioning this.

If you could be working class, you could be blue collar, it doesn't matter. And billions, $40 billion or so a year is spent on these courses. And for what? They make things worse for those men to help and they demonize men. But to say this, whoa, you know, look at you, you're a crazy sort of lunatic for even questioning this.

Yeah. So, I mean, you know, really top pollsters here. What they found is, I sort of found quite staggering, really, that almost half of men, 46% of white guys, say they self-censor because it could affect their careers. And this doesn't mean that