Tim Ross

2070.

2070.

This blood runs in your veins.

You see politicians in the chamber having a go at each other, you know, the two sides, you know, hammer and tongs, getting really personal, slagging each other off.

And then they're in the bar afterwards having a drink together, you know, and you realise that there's a theatre to this.

And there is also, there's a sort of, what should we call it, a ritual you go through in talking to people about views and opinions and so on.

And I absolutely understand that you want to understand between you, particularly among friends, what the no-go areas are.

But by the same token, of course, one of the joys of getting older is also exposing yourself to the new, to the challenging.

Yes.

Which art, of course, provides all the time.

Not as a process but as an experience, you mean?

No, no, no, no, no.

It's Bob-on.

I suppose there is in buildings anyway, in good architecture, there's a sort of generosity, isn't there?

You feel like it's a gift, the experience.

And in a way, that's because buildings are probably less transactional than art.

The art is, as you say, involves buying and selling very much that art market.

Yes.

For so many of us, I mean, the opportunity to experience a building can be free and it can be very accessible and very open also.

Well, I mean actually in the world.