Tim Ross

Yes.

He invented the Franklin wood-burning stove.

There you go.

I know, but besmirched by this reputation that we now historically consider to be not a good one.

So we can't get away.

We can't reverse that.

And I think it's that acknowledgement and recognition and begging for forgiveness and the reassertion as well at the same time of the communities that were damaged at the time and the apologies to them that can be made historically.

I think those are all valid things to do.

Art, of course, has a really important role in this.

That's interesting.

Do you see yourself then as an ambassador for that, a promoter?

Is it for you a campaigning thing?

Do you like to champion it?

What's your take?

What you're describing is that the collection is trying to make sense, a narrative sense, whether it's to do with a community and a place or to do with an individual artist's development.

But even with the communities, there's a sense there also of change, of development.

And most people who might acquire a piece of art

don't have, they rarely have the luxury, the opportunity to be able to kind of tell that story.

But to ask Tim's question again then, so what's your hope?

Accessible.