Tim Schumacher

A bunch of them have really kind of grown four or five X since we've acquired them in the last three years or something.

So we've also had some which are flat.

I think that's the nature of the game.

It always depends on kind of, you also get what you pay for.

If we're buying a flat business, it's like usually, yeah, we can improve it a little bit, but we also know magicians.

But then that's reflected in the price.

But we always try our best, I think, with every company.

No, it was one of the other two.

Rewardful isn't at $10 million.

I'm very impressed how you have all your numbers in there.

It's really impressive.

You interview them all, but then you put the strings together.

It's amazing, Nathan.

We have no ratios.

We basically, we just, whatever we have cash on the balance sheet, we use it.

So we're doing at the moment,

And because we have tons of cash, we're just doing every deal, doing deals all 100% debt.

So we're not, we're not, because we're not putting things into SPVs or special purpose vehicle.

We're not a PE company.

We're really just always, always investing from our own balance sheet.