Tim Watson

And then they've got some good young players as well.

You can't expect more than what Jagger Smith is really producing at this moment.

Sam Walsh, I think he's got those qualities, but he's battled a bit with body and continuity, but I think he tries his guts out.

Do you think then, if you're selecting their next coach, and there are a number of coaches out there that you would be asking the question of, John Longmire, Nathan Barkley, Kenny Simmer, there's four guys there sitting there at the moment who've got vast experiences about building in terms of, like John Longmire, that...

There's something around the Sydney Swans that they've been able to build as the foundation for their sustained competitiveness and successes.

I know they missed out on winning flags, that type of thing, but they've been thereabouts.

They've been building and they've got a strong foundation and it's been sustainable.

Is it that type of person you think that Carlton needs to bring in now or do you go for the new, young, shiny?

Well, look,

A coach that has never coached before.

They look across at the MCG and they see an immediate response by Melbourne to Stephen King.

And then you look a bit further to Amy, whatever it's called, AIA Stadium, AIA, whatever that's called, and you see the immediate response Collingwood got after Nathan Buckley died.

And both brand new coaches.

McRae, a brand new coach.

And now Stephen King hasn't done what Craig McRae's done.

But in the short term, it's been a remarkable impact on a footy club in a short period of time with a brand new voice, a brand new voice.

He'd had a couple of games with the Gold Coast Suns.

So there's arguments for both, I'm sure, Whispers.

I mean, you can't, from a premiership point of view, with Johnny and –

and Adam, then those qualities are enormously valuable.