Tim Wu

But there was inside government, we felt we couldn't have the president say that.

So, yeah, I think that gets the heart of the matter.

I mean, you had also talked about, you know, human attention.

And human attention turns out to be quite commercially valuable.

But do you really want every second of your time and every space you inhabit to being mined for your attention and its maximum value, even if that contributes to the, I guess, overall GDP of the economy?

I mean, I'd like to have some time for my kids and friends in which no one's making any money.

And, you know, it's an example of a commodity that is very close to who we are.

At the end of your days, what your life was was what you paid attention to.

And the idea that you can, with maximum efficiency, mine that at every possible moment seems to me a recipe for a very bad life.

I want to pick up on surveillance because when you talk about the harms to an economy working in a human way, I think that the new frontiers in how you can surveil workers...

I think this is going to become a very big political issue and probably should be already.

I agree.

Tim, there were things in Corey's description there, in his answer there, that

In my view, we should just make a social decision to outlaw.

I am willing to say politically, I want to vote for the people who think you can't eyeball, surveil workers.

And if other people want to stand up and say the surveillance of workers' eyeballs is great, that's a good values debate to have in a democracy, and I know where I fall on that.

Then there are other things, right?

I'll build on the cash register example to say that

I really struggle with what I think, as a public policy measure, one should think about the rise of automated checkout and the way we've seen it.

I watch people turned into these managers of machines.