Tim Wu

And so one of the things that's going on is we're not even deciding

these things as a society.

That gets to the problem of Congress not taking votes on popular issues.

But I also think this relates to our conversation earlier about competition and when it's good and when it's bad.

Because I think for almost any endeavor,

There's such a thing as healthy competition and such a thing as toxic competition.

We were talking about the attention markets earlier.

What is good, healthy competition in the attention markets?

It's like making really great movies.

new TV shows that people love, podcasts that people want to listen to.

Toxic competition was the stuff you're talking about, essentially different forms of manipulation and addiction.

And we've had this kind of like hands-off, we cannot try to direct things in a positive direction.

I think that has been a giant mistake.

So first I would say we have to even try to make the decisions.

You know, how would I do...

The trade-off?

I mean, I guess I would start with the most unredeeming toxic stuff and ban that first, and then see if we can, you know, I mean, that's maybe easy, but we haven't been able to even do that.

And I was sort of shocked when I worked in government that we just could not get a vote on what seemed like stuff that...

Privacy laws, like how many Americans, you know, there's trade-offs with privacy.

Maybe, you know, they have less data.