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Tim Wu

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602 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

I want to ask, but I want to build on this and ask Tim about a separate but related question.

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

Tim, you mentioned a second ago, sort of the entertainment industry.

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

And one of the questions about to come up is whether Netflix should be able to buy all of the assets of, or all the entertainment assets, I should say, of Tim Warner.

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

And this is one where I think people who care about the quality of the media we consume seem, for reasons that seem compelling to me, very, very worried about having that happen.

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

How would you think about that?

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

And is this a place where we need to be, say, making values judgments that are different than our antitrust judgments?

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

Is this a place where the antitrust laws can suffice?

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

Is everybody just worried about something they don't need to be worried about?

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

How do you see it?

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

Yeah, no, I think this is a place where if the antitrust laws are enforced correctly and fairly, that the acquisition would be blocked.

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

And I'd say that this is not a particularly exotic situation in the sense that you have the number one

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

premium streaming company wanting to buy the number three or number four.

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

And if you do the numbers under the guidelines, which the government issues to tell people when their mergers are presumptively illegal, the result is that this is a presumptively illegal merger.

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

The reason I do think it's bad is I think that Netflix and Time Warner have, frankly, over their history, been some of the most innovative, interesting outlets.

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

And often in an oppositional role, you know, this goes way back, but like, you know, Time Warner took a chance on sound film back in the 20s.

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

In the 50s, they took a chance on television, which people thought was, you know, useless.

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

And then prestige television, early thousands with HBO and the golden age.

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

So they've taken a lot of bets.

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

Netflix has done a lot of

The Ezra Klein Show
Everything Wrong With the Internet and How to Fix It

innovative stuff, really interesting, obviously.