Tim Wu

I think we need a vision of what we want and what a good country looks like and a good place to live.

One thing I admire about both of your books is that you spend a lot of time on solutions.

And so I don't think we can go through every one, but let me do it this way.

For each of you, and Corey, why don't we start with you?

If you were king for a day, what are the three areas or the three policies, you can define it the way you want, that you think would make the most difference?

Tim?

So I'll say three things.

So first, I think we need the confidence to ban the worst and most toxic business models that are out there, whether it's exploitation of children, whether, frankly, it's some of this total absolute price discrimination you're talking about, which may technically already be illegal.

Number two, I think that it's unquestionable that the platforms have become essential to commerce, the main tech platforms.

I'm not in any ways thinking you can do without them.

And so I think we need to understand which of them need to be treated more like utilities.

and which of them need to be not allowed to discriminate in favor of themselves or as between customers to try to maximize their extraction.

Can I hold you on that one for a minute?

Yeah, sure.

Because I always, when I hear this, it makes sense to me.

Yes.

Then I think to myself, do the people I know who focus on how utilities act and are regulated seem happy with the situation?

And the answer is no.

They all think it's a total disaster.

So when you say they should be treated as utilities, but, you know, you worked in the Biden administration, you know, everybody who works on, say, green energy will tell you that the models and regulatory structures of the utilities is like a huge, huge, huge problem.