Tim Wu

And so I think if you had Mark Zuckerberg arisen from his

Sarcophagus.

I was going to say office because I'm a more polite person here.

He would say, we did this under competitive pressure.

TikTok was eating our lunch.

We stole a bunch of things from TikTok, and now we're doing better.

We also stole a bunch of things from Snapchat, and now we're doing better.

Because, in fact, we are under a lot of competition, and we are incredibly good at responding to that competition in ways that our user base responds to.

This is not in shitification mode.

This is the magic of competition itself.

And you know that because actually look at our profit margin and look at how much we've changed.

But I think this is a little bit of a narrowed example.

As somebody who gets a huge number of press releases for all these pro-social apps that are built to compete with Instagram and TikTok and all of them, apps that are meant to respect your attention, apps that are meant to be virtuous in a way these apps are not.

and watches one after another, after another, after another, basically go nowhere, get out-competed.

The point I'm making is the example you're giving, they were able to basically say there was a term of service violation.

Maybe they should not be allowed to do that, but there are lots of things that emerge and are meant to be better or different or something.

And people do.

This is where I want to make sure my producer has a voice.

There are people who just absolutely like TikTok.

There are people who like Instagram.