Tina Brown

But he is, I mean, the incredible thing that Trump proved and he's so good at it.

I mean, he understands the media so much better than the media understands him even now.

Yeah.

Because now, what he's done now is he just gives everybody access.

I mean, every marginal loser of a reporter has the president's phone number.

I mean, anyone is virtually can phone Trump and get him on the phone and he'll go spew out whatever's in his head, mendacity, make it all up, you know, whatever.

We've just won the war in Iran this morning, like, you know, you know.

And because it's exciting, I mean, there's no journalist really who's going to say, I just had a long conversation with the president, but it's all rubbish and I'm not going to print it.

They'll never get another one.

And also it's like, you just got a scoop.

So he plays the scoop.

Well, they should.

I mean, in that instance... Well, why don't they?

Well, I think it might have been on Air Force One, so they might not have been able to jump out of the airplane.

Difficult, difficult, difficult.

Well, I actually think they should be more of a body in that sense.

They did do that with the Pentagon when Pete Hegsteth said... And he's now filled it with all these crazy influences.

Yeah, and of course...

As Emma Tucker said yesterday on the stage, I mean, you know, the stories only got better coming out of the Pentagon because actually being in that bubble where you're sort of, you know, embraced is actually not good for journalism anyway.

So being kind of kicked out of the Pentagon just meant, okay, right, we don't have any access issues.