Tina Brown

So he just understood.

He understood the people who had vanities, who had weaknesses, who had greed.

It's a very nasty skill to have, but he had it.

Oh, massive.

I mean, just absolutely massive still.

Oh, yes, absolutely massive.

I mean, I think she, I mean, certainly in America, she is the royal that everybody, you know, remembers and loves.

It has been to the king's detriment, you know, because he couldn't sort of shake off the very, at this point, like passe myth, you know, that he was, you know, responsible for every bad thing that ever happened to Diana.

This visit actually completely has rebranded, Charles.

The state visit.

I hate to use the word rebranded, but I'm now thinking in the American sense.

It has completely rebranded him.

It's as if people saw him and they've never seen him before.

They were so impressed, I think.

he's really become now something that you never would have expected.

He's now become, for Americans I'm talking now, I don't know about so much here, sort of a moral leader because he spoke with such kind of judicious but absolutely sort of perfect tone about the things that so many people care about is the truth, the erosion of truth, but without actually saying that, the

the need to heal our differences, to be people who can talk to each other.

All these things that he said, and he forced Congress to listen to them.

They don't listen to anybody or anything.

They're just sitting there like, you know, doing their own social media all day long, you know, raising money on one phone, social media on the other.