TJ Power

That could be walking. Yeah, if it's still light in the summer sort of months, go into nature, have a period of that. Could be to the gym. The most important thing is after that work period, you're then entering 60 to 90 minutes completely screen free. So you need a moment where your brain is going to de-stimulate.

That could be walking. Yeah, if it's still light in the summer sort of months, go into nature, have a period of that. Could be to the gym. The most important thing is after that work period, you're then entering 60 to 90 minutes completely screen free. So you need a moment where your brain is going to de-stimulate.

And it almost can be uncomfortable, that experience, because our brain is in that dopamine loop all day. We separate from the technology of our phone or our laptop. And suddenly we can almost feel a bit of a decline. And that's when we're like, well, actually, I think I'll just stay on the phone for the evening. Or turn the TV on or something.

And it almost can be uncomfortable, that experience, because our brain is in that dopamine loop all day. We separate from the technology of our phone or our laptop. And suddenly we can almost feel a bit of a decline. And that's when we're like, well, actually, I think I'll just stay on the phone for the evening. Or turn the TV on or something.

Different screen. And I think if you can have a period, so that could be gym, it could be for a walk. It might be that you just need to go like supermarket shopping.

Different screen. And I think if you can have a period, so that could be gym, it could be for a walk. It might be that you just need to go like supermarket shopping.

For sure. And then we basically try and get people to, they come back from that activity and they've then got dinner and you've got potentially like TV watching and social. That's kind of your potential evening activities typically in our world. And- we'll try and continue that concept of a phone fast effectively.

For sure. And then we basically try and get people to, they come back from that activity and they've then got dinner and you've got potentially like TV watching and social. That's kind of your potential evening activities typically in our world. And- we'll try and continue that concept of a phone fast effectively.

So there's prolonged periods of time away from the phone so that this dopamine system can regenerate, so that you can step away from all your work emails and conversation and so on. And phone fasting really requires, and this is very clear in our work, it requires physical separation from the device. Not even just being close to you and flipping it over. That's not a fact. That just does not work.

So there's prolonged periods of time away from the phone so that this dopamine system can regenerate, so that you can step away from all your work emails and conversation and so on. And phone fasting really requires, and this is very clear in our work, it requires physical separation from the device. Not even just being close to you and flipping it over. That's not a fact. That just does not work.

It has to be in like an office on a windowsill away from you so that you're not near it. Because we effectively have this experience of boredom begins to arise in our brain. Like we're cooking and we're like, this is uncomfortable. I'm bored. And the reason we feel that way is because dopamine is declining. Or it might be like we're eating dinner.

It has to be in like an office on a windowsill away from you so that you're not near it. Because we effectively have this experience of boredom begins to arise in our brain. Like we're cooking and we're like, this is uncomfortable. I'm bored. And the reason we feel that way is because dopamine is declining. Or it might be like we're eating dinner.

We're talking to someone and that even might be boring now because we're so in stimulation all day. Gosh. And we call this the boredom barrier, where basically what you see is there's a period of maybe 10 to 15 minutes where you feel uncomfortable and you're like, this is kind of shit and you want your phone and you want stimulation.

We're talking to someone and that even might be boring now because we're so in stimulation all day. Gosh. And we call this the boredom barrier, where basically what you see is there's a period of maybe 10 to 15 minutes where you feel uncomfortable and you're like, this is kind of shit and you want your phone and you want stimulation.

But you do quickly surpass what we call the boredom barrier if you stay in the state of boredom and then it becomes OK again. Unsurprisingly, humans were able to do life without phones prior to them being a thing. And we'll then guide them. They cook, they eat, and then maybe they watch TV.

But you do quickly surpass what we call the boredom barrier if you stay in the state of boredom and then it becomes OK again. Unsurprisingly, humans were able to do life without phones prior to them being a thing. And we'll then guide them. They cook, they eat, and then maybe they watch TV.

With the TV, I really don't think the TV is as significant as a problem as all the other aspects of technology.

With the TV, I really don't think the TV is as significant as a problem as all the other aspects of technology.

For sure. And we have these simple questions when people are going through the experiences, these interactive questions. When we ask people whether they watched TV and scrolled at the same time the night before, we have a 96% yes rate to that question. Wow. So the vast majority of society scrolls and watches TV. And then you explore why that is. TV is boring now.

For sure. And we have these simple questions when people are going through the experiences, these interactive questions. When we ask people whether they watched TV and scrolled at the same time the night before, we have a 96% yes rate to that question. Wow. So the vast majority of society scrolls and watches TV. And then you explore why that is. TV is boring now.