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No, no. So here's how it went. He's not allowed in the studio. We don't need the disruption and the confusion. I texted him actually a while back, and I was like, I'm trying to call you. Pick up your phone. And I gave him, you know, like the town where it's like we're going to go do something. I can't tell you what we're doing. We're going to hurt some people.

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And I said on the text, I was like, I just need you to say whose car we take.

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And so we called back and I explained my concept, which was I just want to take over your house and make day three Saturday inside the Rosillo. Have you?

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We've been to his new house.

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Yeah, he's on his ninth Manhattan Beach house. It's like this great man cave overlooking the Pacific Ocean. TV's everywhere. So we're going to go and we're going to eat his food, drink his drinks, and invade his house on Saturday for two hours, 3 p.m. Eastern to 5 p.m. Eastern. We're going to be there recapping the whole draft as the draft's going up. Wait, so he only gave you two hours?

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You're not even going to get to watch the whole draft with him? His only caveat was NBA playoffs. Exactly, yeah. He's got his notepad out. So I'm going to try to get him to run a 40. Bill Simmons and I are setting the over-under. Bill had it at six flat. I said, like, five-two. So I'm going to try to get him to run to 40. He reminded me that he has a squat rack in the house.

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So maybe we can do the 225 bench press rack.

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He's like a linebacker. I could see him. It's definitely going to be a hamstring issue, right? Yeah. Pulling up after 33 yards.

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Yeah.

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Daniel Jeremiah said we should run it in the sand for a built-in excuse.

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Here's how I look at it. And I kind of do tears off of grades, but let's break away from that for a second. There's two guys that are at the top, and that's Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter. They're in their own tier, if you will. Then after that, there's a handful of guys. But what's interesting is a lot of them are not in premium positions. Ashton Gentry, running back.

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Two tight ends in Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland. And then you look at the rest of the list. Yes, there is – I think there's two edges that belong – actually, three I would probably throw in there with – with Jalen Walker, his teammate, Michael Williams, and Shamar Stewart. But then also in that mix, I would throw in Jihad Campbell from Alabama and Mason Graham, interior defensive lineman.

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So that's kind of the range, and Cam Ward would be up there as well in that second tier, if you will. What's interesting, man, is we're now – like hours away from the draft, right? And there's talk because of certain teams having specific needs, and this happens every year, but not normally this high. We get to four, and New England's probably going to take Will Campbell.

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Will Campbell's the fourth or fifth best offensive lineman in last year's draft. The information I'm getting as we get closer, it could be Ashton Ginty at four for Jacksonville. It's not going to be Mason Graham, the defensive tackle for Michigan. But the player that I keep hearing over and over again from people in the league and around the league is Tedaroa McMillan, the wide receiver.

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So if that's – and the theory behind it is Trevor Lawrence, go back to 2018, 2019 at Clemson, two 6'4 wide receivers, 4,000 receiving yards, 42 touchdowns to Justin Ross and T. Higgins, those guys, and he's had smaller receivers at Jacksonville, and he's been missing the target by a little bit. Let's get him a big catch radius guy like Tet McMillan at 6'4.

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And so if that's the case, and now Campbell goes 4, Tet goes 5 – I'm told that Las Vegas is going to take Ashton Ginty at six. And so that could be an offensive tackle, Armand Membu. Now you get to seven and all these guys. You ready? Mason Graham, still available. Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland, still available. Jalen Walker, Shamar Stewart, Mikel Williams, all still available.

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It's going to be an Ashton Jinty. How about the Bears fans? Wake up. There's a scenario playing out right now as I'm talking to people in the league day in and day out where the Bears come on the board at 10. I don't want to get everyone all worked up. But Ashton Gentry, Tyler Warren, and Colston Loveland are still available for them there.

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I would think so.

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Exactly. I think every mock draft in the world for about a month straight had two of the same players in the same teams. It was Mason Graham, Michigan defensive tackle, going to Jacksonville at five. And one pick later was Ashton Jinty running back, going to the Las Vegas Raiders at six. And I don't think either is happening.

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I actually think he's a better pure runner in terms of like contact balance, churning out yards after contact. than Bijan Robinson. There's been six running backs go in the top 10 in the last 10 years of the draft. And Saquon's obviously one of them. Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey were in 2017. Go all the way back to, I think it was 2015 with Todd Gurley.

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So it's not unprecedented for a running back to go in the top 10. He's certainly worth it in terms of the grade that he carries. But to me, Ashton Gentry, like... I haven't talked to any teams that, that view him not as one of the top six, seven players in this draft.

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And the fact that he could wind up falling to 10 to the bears would, um, obviously it's positional value, but, but absolutely worth the pick and would, I just like part of me fell in love with the concept of, of Warren or Colston with, with Cole commit and cooking it up in the lab with Ben Johnson and 12 personnel. And, uh,

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But then you throw Ashton Jinty in the mix and taking the pressure off the quarterback position. If that's the scenario, they can't go wrong with the pick, and certainly they'd be thrilled to have him. Because there was a scenario with the Raiders taking Jinty at 6 and the Jets potentially taking Tyler Warren at 7.

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where Colson Loveland was the best available at those positions at 10 for the Bears. And I don't know that that's going to be the case anymore.

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There's a chance. I look at the Jets as a possibility at pick 7 for Mason Graham. I wouldn't rule out Carolina at 8. But I don't know. I think if he gets past... If he gets past five and gets past the Raiders at six, yeah, I think he could be on the board.

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I just got a text from an assistant GM in the league. And he's like, please try to ask around. And I just sent out some feelers. And I'm jumping on with you guys, and I'll make some more calls after. Apparently, there have been calls. And that's not surprising. But apparently, someone's trying.

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There's a team out there that, according to word, and people are trying to figure out how true it is and how valid it is. But at this moment, there's apparently a team out there that's putting a big offer. to the Cleveland Browns to try to move up to No.

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I don't know. That's why I was sending out texts before I jumped on with you. There's some speculation, maybe the Dallas Cowboys?

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Yeah. And he said for a player, I saw that quote. So that player could be Travis Hunter before the draft. So, I mean, it would it would fall in line. But yeah, it's definitely a wide open. I mean, no shit, Jerry. Everyone's going to do something before and after the draft.

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I get it with the Giants, but you've known for over a month now that Cam Ward's going number one. So if you're Cleveland and you've made the decision, it's not quarterback. And I know I know that to be true at two. And then you're and you've got your choice between Abdul. I literally started this whole conversation with you guys talking about this year's class.

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And I said, there's two players that are in a group of their own. So at this point, you know, you're basically on the clock and you know what the board looks like. So why I get the Giants because we can get to the Giants in a second, but there's some there's some dissension in the Giants ranks. And so maybe trading out of that spot.

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if you're trying to appease the, the head coach and Brian Dable and, and maybe get a quarterback, you'd like to move back, get a quarterback, have an additional pick to try to, you know, plug some other holes. If that's truly the case. And again, we can get to the giants in a second, but,

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But if you're Cleveland, you either know you want Travis Hunter, you've decided that, or you're looking at this and weeks ago you would have been talking to other teams about potentially moving up to the number two spot. It doesn't make sense that they would be putting out the feelers. It would make sense if the Giants were kind of reaching out, hey, any interest here? Right, right.

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Let me, let me give you a couple things, pieces of insight here. Um, First of all, I was actually mildly surprised to hear as of Sunday, my information is that John Mara, the Mara family, they have not gotten involved. And I don't mean they're not involved in the process. I mean, they're not saying we need to do this or we really would like to take Shador at three or really would like to take out.

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They're letting the people they hired work out the decision. Second part is everyone got all worked up. They're grabbing the Mara plane, and they're flying to Boulder on Thursday of last week. Tuscaloosa on Friday for Jalen Milrow. Tyler Shuck in Louisville on Saturday. Is it going to be – no one wanted to talk about the Milrow and Shuck part or the fact that they worked out dark the week before.

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The face of this draft is Shador Sanders. So everyone media-wise was on – it's still in play at three. What I can tell you is this, according to my sources, and honestly, I've been saying it for two weeks on the show.

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If you hire Brian Dable, you did so because he is one of the handful, not dozens, handful of human beings on this planet in the NFL that actually know how to develop quarterbacks and actually can get the best out of them and actually have a like a brilliant offensive mind. Okay. And I don't care if this quarterback outlasts Brian in his tenure. I don't care what the wins and losses are.

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Brian can flat out frigging coach, man. I'm telling you, this guy is at a very high level in the NFL in terms of offensive coaching. I believe that. So you've got this man who's one of just a handful in the league in your building. He's the smartest man in the room. And... For some reason, there's some people in the scouting department that prefer Shador.

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But the guy who's going to coach him that's great at doing that is not a Shador guy, apparently. And I say that because I've heard that from sources. And I also have said that even before I had sources on it because I know Brian. I know his style. I know his history. We know Josh Allen. We know Jalen Hurts, I think, at Alabama. Jackson Dart fits the mold for him. Sturdy. Mobile.

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bigger arm than Shador's doesn't have to have a rifle, but like he just fits the mold. And so whether it's Shador or Tyler shock, or maybe a developmental project in, you know, day two with, with Jalen Milrow, that fits a lot more than Shador, especially in that climate and that division.

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So I'm hearing now that he wants to take a quarterback at three or, or maybe move down from that spot and take a quarterback. He'd like to make sure they get their guy. But I also have heard, and it lines up with my football sense, is that it's not Shador. Okay? So maybe... I'm hopeful that this organization is smart enough to say, well, Brian's the guy we've got to lean on with the quarterbacks.

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Maybe move back down, take Jackson Dart a little bit later, get an additional pick or two, however that works out. But that's kind of the backdrop on everything that's going on in that Giants organization. And I'm just hopeful. I mean, he had to live through Daniel Jones. He got the best when Daniel Jones actually could stay healthy for a minute. He got the best out of Daniel Jones.

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Imagine he gets to handpick his guy and develop him and not have to rush him out there year one with Russell Wilson there and with Jameis Winston there. that's the direction I would go. And if I was the Mara family and I had to get involved at all, I'd be like, you let him make the quarterback decision. You guys make the rest of them.

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Yeah, but then you're basically saying, like, this is your last year as my head coach. Right, you might as well fire him. Yeah. Or this is your last year as my GM, Joe Shane. So... I don't know the inner workings exactly how that would go.

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I've heard unbelievably wild stories of ownership and last-minute making decisions that didn't align with what the personnel department and what the coaching staff wanted. Dan Snyder and Jay Gruden. But again, I do want to emphasize, because there's been a lot of speculation, that as of Sunday, the mayors are letting the football people handle the football stuff so far. I would like to think...

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that if they do go Abdul Carter at three, that they would be wise in where they tried to move up. And if Dart's the guy that Brian Dable wants, then you go out and get Dart. You secure him at 25, let's say, with the Vikings, who only have four picks in the entire draft, the fewest of any team in the league. So that's kind of how I look at this.

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The other part is, and we haven't even gotten to this, where's Shador going? Yeah. And why? And why? Why? And if Shador because 21 sitting there and everyone thinks because the same the same principles apply with Kellen Moore and New Orleans at nine. I don't think it's going to be quarterback at nine. I am fairly certain. Kellen Moore does not want Shador.

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That he would be a Jackson Dart guy as well, or maybe a Tyler Shuck. Based off of his last three jobs as OCs were with Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, and Jalen Hurts. Those are Dart types of players, or Tyler Shuck types of players. Shador doesn't have a lot of love right now, man. And listen... Baker Mayfield was like, what, plus 2,000 to be the number one overall pick the night before.

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Michael Penix, none of us knew that Michael Penix was going to be the pick for Atlanta a year ago. So we've seen this over and over again. There's a team lurking, I'm sure, that has more interest in Shador in round one than we know of right now. But I'm also told, and this is the fascinating part,

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Mike Tomlin does like Shador and there's love for Shador in that building, but it's a softer floor because everyone said, well, that's the floor for Shador 21. It's a softer floor than people want to admit to right now, or maybe people understand right now.

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And so if it's not 21 or if Pittsburgh's trying to trade back out of that, that spot at 21 because they don't have a second round pick after the DK trade, well, Where's Shador going? And so is it going to be a situation where it's like, hold, hold? You know, like Cleveland at 33, Giants at 34, New Orleans at 40. Private planes have been crossing over each other in the air the last couple of weeks.

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Workouts with Dart and Chuck and Milrow and Shador. So maybe everyone just holds off and waits. And maybe we only have one quarterback drafted in the first round. In fact, talking to people who are really in the know, even more than I am in the know, There's a growing sense that it's more likely that one quarterback gets drafted in the first round than three.

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Yeah, I mean, Portnoy and I have been fighting since we were nine years old. He's a very accomplished scout. Get out of here.

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Right. He's like the cat with the lives, right? He just gets to keep drawing lines in the sand and then it gets... That's what happens to the line in the sand. It gets swept away. Yeah, so I like Shador. I'm not lying in the sand. I like Shador, but can we have some intelligence with the conversation? The intelligence is I don't want him in a system that doesn't fit him.

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So much of this is about where they land, and I know no one wants to talk about it because it's not sexy and fun pre-draft. But if you told me that he went to Cleveland, even in that weather and playing in that division, if you told me he went to Cleveland and had a year or two, and he doesn't even need it as much as some of the other guys do.

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But if he had a little time, wasn't forced in right away, and had Kevin Stefanski, like I told you, Kellen Moore is dark. Shuck. Brian Dable is dark. Shuck.

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Kevin Stefanski has won games with guys that aren't the biggest, aren't the most mobile, don't have the biggest arm, but process lightning fast and are accurate throwing the ball and get the ball out quickly in that West Coast system and lead receivers to yards after catch. That's what Shador is. So Stefanski would be perfect for him. He won 11 games with Kirk Cousins. Who was it, McNown?

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Who was it? The quarterback before he won 10 or 11 games. So he's won games, a lot of games, with guys that don't have that great mobility, size, arm strength. I think he'd be perfect with Shador, but I haven't heard anything on Cleveland. Yeah. And in fact, I was told do not expect Cleveland to trade up if someone falls in their lap. Yeah.

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But but don't expect them to trade up, which would be interesting, too, because if you do stick and pick it, too, and you get his teammate, Travis Hunter, and everyone's sitting there were picked 24 or 25. Yeah. Where's Cleveland? You know, so that'll be fascinating to watch, too.

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I thought for a while it was going to be Aaron announcing that he was going to Pittsburgh at the big night out or whatever it was for McAfee. I did too. That didn't happen, and then we had the McAfee interview. Yes. And my guy, Mensch, was saying all along, like, you know, he's going to be in Green Bay. Like, he did it. I was in Cleveland. I'll never forget. We're getting ready for the draft.

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We got all these hits for SportsCenter and NFL Live, getting ready and previewing it. And what are we hearing? And where are you guys going to go? And all of a sudden, it's like everyone stepped down. You know, Schefter, come on up. And it was Aaron Rodgers for like an hour and a half leading up to the draft. Yeah, yeah. So that wouldn't have shocked me. But I kind of think it's –

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We're going to go through a little dead period. I think that he'll be true to what he was saying. He needs a little time, but we'll have to see.

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I think the conversation would have started at QB4 last year with Cam Ward. I think with the other guy, with Shador and Dart, it would have started probably at QB... If I'm being honest, QB6, but for most people, QB7. I didn't have Bo Nix as high as some other... I had a second-round grade on Bo Nix, so I was wrong on that so far. But Cam...

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When you watch the tape and you study the cut-ups of him in rhythm, on time, when he gets to the top of his drop, foot in there, receiver's where he's supposed to be and drives it, he's an absolute sniper. And I think that's what Brian Callahan is – is looking at and like, I'm going to channel that guy.

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Just like when Andy Reed and Brett Veach, the GM for the chiefs watched Patrick Mahomes and he's drifting and kind of just throwing from every arm angle. And it was an absolute mess at Texas tech, but a beautiful mess, but still a mess, you know? Um, They saw – when you go and you isolate those clips when he's actually in rhythm and running within the constructs of the offense, it was brilliant.

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And it's the same thing with Cam. And I think Brian Callahan, the coach, is absolutely qualified to help in his development. He started his career with Peyton Manning in Denver. Matthew Stafford, he spent a lot of time with, right? He obviously, Joe Burrow brought them to the Super Bowl. So he's been around greatness.

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I mean, like the highest level greatness at the quarterback position and has helped in the process along the way, learned and helped. So... I like that fit, and I think Cam needs channeling. Patrick Mahomes needed channeling, but they both share a similar trait. I'm not doing the Mahomes and Cam Ward thing here. I'm not.

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I'm just saying one of the special traits for Cam is that he feels the pressure, knows it's coming, but he's going to let you take another step or two towards him because then you're leveraged out. It's like the old out the way. Instead of some of these other guys, you watch the panic, the drifting, the racing out of the pocket. and things get scrambled.

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He's unbelievably calm, and he is thinking a step ahead. And I think if you've channeled what he does in terms of in the pocket, on time, and then you allow him to still utilize those traits when the initial play breaks down, you could have something pretty special with camp.

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The Houston Texans, there's some noise that they are – that they're trying to move up for an offensive lineman, okay? Yeah. Dallas is going to be interesting. Just kind of sensing that something's going on there. A lot of people have thought Ted McMillan to Dallas at 12. Now we're hearing Jacksonville. I don't know if that would force their hand and they like him that much.

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I've got him ranked 50th on my board. I see the talent. There's a lot of other stuff I don't trust with Ted McMillan. So we'll see about that. Philadelphia, Howie Roseman can't sit still. So whether it's moving up, moving back at 32. But I do think Mason Taylor's an intriguing prospect for them with Dallas Goddard and the situation there. And the Rams.

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The Rams, could that be a quarterback team where they just all of a sudden out of nowhere decided, yeah, we're going to take Jackson Dart if he's there. So obviously with Stafford and his situation, I don't plan on that, but it's just something to keep an eye on.

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Graze Abel, one of my favorites in this draft. North Dakota State. Play like Teron Armstead, Cody Mock, Quinn Miners. All these guys show up at the Senior Bowl, have awesome weeks, disprove the small school level, and go on to have really brilliant careers and get drafted in all sorts of different ranges, but go on to have really good careers.

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Gray's able moves differently than every interior offensive lineman in this draft. I think he could go as high as 18 to Seattle.

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So I've got Cam Ward 1, Jackson Dart 2, Shador Sanders 3, Tyler Shuck 4, Jalen Milrow 5, and Will Howard 6. Tyler Shuck's one of my favorites, man, and I got to spend a little bit of time with him at the Combine. He's 25, going to be 26 during the season, I believe. He had three season-ending injuries, all bone breaks. Injury-prone, you could call them, or fluke injuries.

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When he first started out at Oregon, he's been to three different schools, seven years in college. He was in the recruiting class with Trevor Lawrence. He was the backup to Justin Herbert at Oregon his freshman year. He's been around that long. Those guys are like going second contracts and all that. He's matured a lot, and no one wants to hear the touchy-feely, fun stuff with quarterbacks.

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But you've got to know who you are as a human being if you're going to take over an organization, be handed the keys at some point in a year or two, and look in that huddle. If you do huddle in grown-ass men, they're looking back at you and got no time for some pup. He's had football. He was carted off the field, thought he would never play again. He's just been through a lot.

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And I look at him, and I'm like, The biggest negative I have in talking to teams, this is the problem. Seven years in this age, but only one year of starting experience. One full year, right, at Louisville this past year. But he's with the Brahm brothers who know how to coach quarterbacks. He's developed unbelievably well in the past year, year plus. And he...

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He can step in, and I think he's going to shock people when he plays. He's bigger than the rest of these quarterbacks. He's got a stronger arm than probably the rest of these quarterbacks, maybe the same level as Cam Ward. He's faster on a straight line than all these guys outside of Jalen Milrow, the top four guys for me. He's the fastest of all of them when he tucks and runs.

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The traits are there. The experience is there. The maturity is there. I would love to see him, whether it's the Giants with Brian Dable, the – the New Orleans Saints, picking at 40. One of those teams is not going to wind up with Shador, is not going to wind up with Jackson Dart.

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And I would love to see him with one of those two spots with an opportunity in a year to take over the reins and see what he can do. I think he's going to be a big surprise in this class.

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I'm way different than a lot of people in this class.

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Yeah, it's good. Way different. I've got Number one receiver is Matthew Golden. Route running, crispness, 429, 40-yard dash, second fastest player at the Combine. And the questions about him, is the top end speed great? He's not great after the catch in terms of making guys miss, but if he catches a crease, he's gone. Vertical speed, adjusts to the ball. I like Golden one.

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Then the big surprise probably for most people would be Jalen Knoll from Iowa State. I've got him at number two. at the wide receiver position. He is so explosive. He, yeah, he's undersized. Yeah. He's probably going to be a slot like that. Fine. But, but like look at lad McConkie last year and what he came in, like, he's probably going to have to be a slot. I don't know.

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And McConkie was one of the best rookie receivers in a class. It was like legendary for rookie production and wide receiver. So I think Noel is going to be probably a second round pick. He's not getting to the third, but not going to be in the first. So a second-round pick, and I think he's going to way outplay his draft slot.

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After that, I've got Emeka Ibuka from Ohio State, another probably slot receiver, but consistent, a lot of production. And then I like the other Iowa State 2 guy, too, Jaden Higgins. big 6'3 plus, physical receiver, great getting off the press. Those are my top four. And Tett McMillan is down there at number 50 overall, as I said.

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Yeah, Luther Burden I actually have before Tett. And then Luther Burden comes with a handful of – Stuff and red flags and all that, but he's not Debo. Everyone wants to say he's Debo, but I get the comp in that he's physical, explosive after the catch, versatile. You can do a lot of different things with him.

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Never going to be your best route runner, but if you can get him the football, he's going to make a lot of plays.

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Clearly not. Okay. Because I just turned in my final top 300. I'll post tonight the McShea Report. Google it. Subscribe, people. Come on.

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I'm in trouble.

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JT... Tui Molalau. I've had to practice that name. Tui Molalau from Ohio State. I just like him. I think I had prospect fatigue over time. The first report I wrote on him was in the summer of 2022. We're now going in the summer of 2025. So it was the same guy over and over again, but this year he took it to another level. This year's draft, I agree with Daniel Jeremiah, it's not great at the top.

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There's not as many elite players at the top as you'd like to see. But teams are looking for starters. And if you're a base 4-3 defense, plug in. He's going to be seven, nine sacks a year, batted down passes, effort. There's nothing overly sexy about his game, but he's going to be one of those guys who eight, nine years in, we're like, he's still doing it at a high level. I like JTT.

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I think Travion Henderson, if put in the right spot, like the Jameer Gibbs spot that he was put in, has got a chance to be special. Don't rule him out as a first-round draft pick. In fact, I've talked to teams that have him rated higher than Omari and Hampton. And there's a growing... that he could wind up being RB2 in this class. So that's intriguing. Elijah Arroyo.

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So much time has been spent on Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland, and rightfully so. And Mason Taylor could sneak in at 32, right? There's going to be a team that gets Arroyo out of Miami, and if he can stay healthy, which you could say about every prospect, but he's had struggles with durability – He is so explosive.

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His ability to get down the seam, run routes down the field, he's like a different level. Normally, these Kelsey types, the F tight end, the flex out tight end, they don't block all that well. This guy's got some prick in a man like he loves it. He will embarrass you on tape.

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So I just I think Arroyo is going to wind up really outplaying where he winds up getting drafted, which is probably gonna be somewhere in like the 40s or early 50s. But I think Arroyo is an absolute player.

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I think Edge is a spot that they'd like to be able to go. I don't think they're stuck drafting there. We've got a bunch of guys who are going to come off the board, and I think earlier than people expected, now that I'm talking to teams, I think it's going to be Carter at three, Abdul Carter at three. I think Jalen Walker is going to go. Maybe as early as the Jets at six.

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And if not, a couple picks later. I think Michael Williams could go as early as, let's say, eight to Carolina. I think Shamar Stewart could go shortly thereafter. Maybe it's nine to the Saints. I think James Pierce could go like 15 to Atlanta. Mike Green, maybe 17 to Cincinnati. And all of a sudden, you look up, you're like, shit. We're pick 18. And we said, what did I just list off?

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Like seven guys? Yeah. So... I don't know that there's going to be like Donovan as a rock who, um, from BC is really, really a savvy, proficient edge rusher. I just don't know that he's got that, like he's shorter. He's not the fastest, most explosive guy. I think he's probably going to be early too. Why not? Why not Travion Henderson there? Yeah. Yeah. It would make sense.

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I get it, cornerback, edge are bigger needs, but if Jadé Barron and Will Johnson and Maxwell Hairston are all off the board, and all those edges are off the board, and you can't trade back, I don't know. Like... Just getting a weapon in the passing game and adding that, you know, with Brian Robinson, what you already have.

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And I just – I think he's got a chance to elevate like Gibbs did, maybe not quite to that level, but to take an offense that's explosive and to do like – just a little more nudge where now you've got to account for this guy who's a 4-4, catches the ball out of the backfield, will protect too. He and his buddy, Quinshawn Judkins, their pass protection tape is fun to watch.

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So I could see Henderson as a – as someone who's on the short list as a possibility.

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I can see that. Jeremy Chin's gone. Yeah. The safeties are – I mean, you talk about polar opposites of the spectrum, right? You've got Nick Emanwar, who's like 6'3", 220, like broke the broad jump record at the combine by like four inches and had the best – over 200 pounds, like the best vertical jump of any player ever. Just insane workout. And his tape is really good and interesting, right?

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But, like, you talk about kind of the football character stuff and focus issues and kind of in and out of things and aggressiveness in the run support. So there's this, like, balancing act with him. The traits are unbelievable, but what are we – are we sure that this is a first-round guy that we want to bring in? Then you get Starks, who's like –

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Kirby Smart talks about him almost as glowingly as Nick Saban talked about Will Anderson a couple years ago. Just loves ball, team first, prepared, does all the little things, smooth move on tape, is beautiful moving smooth and aggressive and plays fast and comes up and hits and all the things. And he's a first-round talent on tape.

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But then he worked out, and it was like third worst this, second worst this, like among the safeties in the class, and didn't run very well. So I do think the safeties, if they come off the board in the first round, will be very late, like that 27 to 32 range. But I could see a scenario, too, where neither guy gets drafted by the end of night one.

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You get my attention when you're like a three-year captain.

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And you get my attention when you've transferred in From somewhere and you're immediately, you earned a captain. You were able to, in that little window of like three, four, five months, become a captain before the week one of the season. But there's a lot of captains out there. But yeah, I'd prefer a captain over a non-captain.

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I hate when it's the negative stuff, but I still go back to Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow. Brady Quinn. Was it Quinn? No, it was Clausen with Kuyper.

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I had a good run on shutting Kuyper down on some quarterbacks.

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With Clausen and Quinn. I think he had an agent who represented some of those Notre Dame guys. Bumped him up. But, I mean, I got him to promise to retire, and he's still going.

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That didn't work out. But what was your best?

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I don't know. I don't like to sit here and pat my back.

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I still like – yeah, I don't know. I'll say this. The quarterbacks have always been the hardest. Like Bo Nix last year I talked about. Jamarcus Russell was the one. Obviously. But there were a lot of people in the league that didn't like Jamarcus. I had the wrong information. My goodness.

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I've never talked about learning a hard lesson early on when he's on his knee, like throwing 60 yards at the goalpost. And you're you're like a 25 year old scout or sent sent from ESPN to do the first pro day ever. And you see that and you're like, oh, my God.

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Yeah. And then and then when he's sitting in the sideline doing interviews and sitting on the ground and media is coming up and putting the microphones in front of him. And I ask I'm asking people at LSU, like, why is he sitting like, oh, he's just chill. You know, he's like, relax. And that's part of the reason he's so good. And it turns out like, no, that dude's just lazy.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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After three, then you give it up. Although Sam Darnold, I'm still like Sam Darnold. I love you, buddy. I loved Sam Darnold in that class.

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It's true. So it's coming around. So if you were going to give up after year three, usually by year seven, but not always.

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and that's why every team gives like, whether it's like the gold star, the red star, the red dot, like they, they allow their scouts to go up to the board and be like, pick your one, pick your guy. Um, and they do their best if in the right situation and they'll, they'll take it over a player with a similar grade and all that. Um, but they do get to know them like these scouts, man. I,

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I know no one wants to hear it in Crimea river. They work for NFL teams, but like what they get paid for the work they do talking to them. Now, like I've talked to a good friend who's in the Southeast and like, it used to be like 12, 13 players in the summer. They're evaluating. And now like NIL and transfer portal and guys all over the place. And,

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At Ole Miss, it was 12 or 13, and this year he had 30 players he had to write up in the summer. It's not just like watching tape. It's like you said, getting to know the background, all the history, who's in charge of this guy. Now who's the agent of this guy?

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It's a lot of work that goes into all these individuals in a region, and then you handpick a few guys that you absolutely love, you believe in. You present that to the general manager, and they do their best. But odds are,

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I mean, maybe you get one or two guys at best from your entire region in a draft, and then you're looking at these reports, like a binder this big and files, and it's just all gone. Yeah, I do that for you.

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Yeah. I'll never forget. That was like one of my, I mean, obviously we did like the combine together and all, but that was the first time being out in a real setting professionally with you clowns, right?

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And I'm like, what is going on? You guys are like going up to GMs and coaches.

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You saw his arm, right?

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Passing out the sheet. At that point, no one really knew what your whole deal was. Yeah. And like media was not media was was staunch back then.

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Like you, like you had to have like permission and go through the certain channels to talk to a general manager head coach. And you guys were just like, yeah, you saw his big arm, right? We didn't get you guys yet.

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I was just timing Big Cat in a 40. Yeah, yeah. While a grandma walked by.

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Like Jehovah's Witnesses for Josh Allen. The pamphlet we used to call it. The Varsal pamphlet. Yeah. He's laughing now.

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And I don't have any information that's saying Cleveland is taking Shador, just to make that clear. But if I'm Andrew Barry and I'm saying, all right, the salary cap's horrible this year, and it's not going to be any better next year. We maybe can get a Russell Wilson or make a trade for Kirk Cousins, but that's just temporary.

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That could help us win some games this year while we're developing a young quarterback, whether that's for later in his rookie year or for year two. But we got to get to year two because if we're drafting this high next year and talking about like Garrett Nussmeyer from LSU or Carson Beck or whoever the quarterbacks are going to be next year,

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We're probably not the decision makers here in Cleveland. We probably lost our job.

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Correct. So it makes sense that you're bringing Kenny Pickett as a backup and maybe he does better things than all of us expect if forced into duty. Exactly. But so why are they still in the market for these veterans? Well, they're not going to cost anything. And so they weren't in it for Stafford. They're not in it for Aaron Rodgers.

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But if they can bring in someone to help win games, whether it's the whole year or part of this rookie year for Shador Sanders, that gives them a shot. And then if you have Shador, there's energy, there's excitement about the future. And Stefanski is one of the handful of guys in the league that I believe could get the most out of Shador and actually win a lot of games with.

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And his dad, we can say all the things you want about Coach Prime, and he's not for everybody, and the way he handles things, it's kind of against the establishment, so there's obviously always going to be pushback, right? Yeah. But he is dialed into the league, and he knows the guys that can help develop his son.

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And at the end of the day, as a father, all you want to do is put your children in a position where they can help them get the best of what they are, no matter what their career path is. And so I think he looks at it, and with his connections in the league and his understanding, and he looks at it and says, you know what? I'm in a good position.

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Yes, he makes more money if he goes and picks one, two, or three. But also with that, and it's kind of unique, there are three guys that are running the organization as head coaches that actually can coach quarterbacks. And he's not going number one where Brian Callahan is, but Stefanski's an outstanding quarterback developer and can work with him.

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And Brian Dayball, while he's worked with bigger, you know, Josh Allens and Jalen Hurts at Alabama, he's worked with guys that have different traits. Brian Dayball can coach quarterbacks really well. Right. So I think the combination of, yeah, he gets more money, but probably just as, if not more importantly, I trust where he's going to go and the people who are going to be working with

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You should have seen my comments after I came out and I started talking about this. Oh, yeah. Simmons got to you. Simmons got to you, right? And my answer is, yeah, he got me thinking. There's no question. He got me thinking with some of the social media stuff that I was oblivious to because I'm sitting here watching like R.J. Harvey, the running back from UCF right now.

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They're not, but no one wants to. Matthew Stafford, at the end of the day, he was offered the same. And I've even heard reports maybe like a little bit more to go to New York. But if you're looking at it and I say I get two, three years left, I'm not certain that Joe Shane and more importantly, Brian Dable is going to be there for two or three years. What's the stability of the organization?

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Yes. So that's why for the majority of people I talk to in the league, Bill, It is a later first, maybe early second round grade for Shador. But for the teams that are in these very unique situations, Cleveland at two and the Giants at three, they have circumstances that require them to make decisions differently. that maybe they wouldn't make if they had six years left on their contract.

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They'd done a lot of winning, and they wanted a quarterback, but they didn't need to reinvigorate the fan base and, more importantly, show promise towards the future.

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And he talked himself into it. Didn't have to come back for a second year where defensive coordinators had seen it the first time around. Like, Shador, here's the thing that I find interesting. First of all, when you watch the tape, he's tough as nails. So forget all the diamonds and the commercials and all that stuff.

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This guy is an old school throwback, pocket passing, stare down the gun barrel, take the hits and pop back up type of quarterback. And the other part is, too, it's interesting talking to people in the league. To a T, it's like, yeah, Prime's getting all the media attention and people think that that's a headache. He's not going to be a headache when Shador comes here.

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In fact, and I don't want to go into a lot of detail, and it's speculation and one person's thoughts on it versus another's, but Cam Ward's got a father, apparently, who's been very involved. And so there's talk in the league of like, And it's not going to affect where Cam goes. He's going to be the first pick in the draft.

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But the interesting part to people in the league is we'd be a little bit more worried about the externals with Cam than we are with Shador and Coach Prime.

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Yeah, nothing was disrespectful.

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He knows something that maybe we just don't know. Right.

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No, and they need a running back, and this just so happens to be the best running back class maybe in the history of the draft and certainly since 2017. Yeah. And they're not that far away. They're really not. And I go through it. If I'm Shador and I've got assurances that it could be Cleveland, but if it's not, it's very likely going to be the Giants.

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I think that that probably led to what you were just talking about, too.

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I do hear that the Jets could throw us a curveball the first night. Let's just get it out here now. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I think there's a little bit of love for Jackson Dart in that building.

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And if it wasn't Denver, it was probably going to be second round. And that place, it just, Sean Payton fell in love with him. Perfect fit. And that's how it worked out. And listen, Jackson Dark doesn't go seven, which again, maybe let's put a 25, 30% chance at most at this point. New Orleans is a possibility at nine.

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Right. And everyone's like, well, they brought Derek Carr back. Yeah, one more year. But this would actually be a perfect time to get a rookie quarterback as we work through all the salary stuff, not force him out there for year one. So I think Jackson Dart could be a top 10 pick. But if he's not, then it's like, you know, we talk about 21 to Pittsburgh or a team. That's the other thing.

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Either the Browns or the Giants are very likely to take Shudor. Whichever team doesn't, the Browns are picking at 33, which is the first pick of the second round. The Giants are picking one spot after that. I think you'll see one of those teams, whichever one doesn't get a quarterback, wind up moving into the first round.

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Maybe it's to pick 19 to Tampa or 20 to Denver to try to secure Jackson Dart and also to get that fifth year. In the NFL, there's a fifth year option for the first round player. So you want to get that for that extra year of security as an organization.

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Absolutely. Let's bring it back to the top four, right? It's a puzzle. Yeah. And we know one, we've got one of the four pieces of the puzzle with those four picks. I feel very strongly like we've got it planted in there, right? So now figuring out the other three, it's almost like the rest of the draft starts at pick five. Yeah.

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Like Mason Graham and Tyler Warren and the running backs and all this. But the first four picks, it's like, how does this work? Right.

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And I put it in there because I wound up with Abdul Carter in the newsletter, in the mock draft 2.0. I put Abdul Carter in there, but I'm very, very clear to my friends here in New England, like, don't get overly excited because a lot has to happen.

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But if Shador goes two or three, you can buy two jerseys and get rid of one of them because it's going to be Hunter or Carter, period.

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I think they've prepared like most good organizations do. And I'm not saying the Giants have been, but organizations are in free agency, are trying to free themselves up to take the best player in the draft. The Giants obviously have Kayvon Thibodeau and Brian Burns at edge. So you look at it and you say, it's not a huge needle. Who cares?

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Like when you get a player like that at the second most important position, you take him. And so if it goes where Shador is number two, they have their choice. And so that's a good position to be in. But what if Abdul goes one or two? Or what if Abdul goes two, right? And they're sitting there three and Hunter's the only guy.

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Or if Hunter goes two and then Abdul's sitting there, they've got to make sure that they're covered. They re-signed Darius Slayton at wide receiver. They Paulson Adebo at cornerback. So they're covered. But you're talking about excellence versus just solid players.

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Yes. And now you, now you have, and then the opportunity to go get a Jackson dart with that, as you had mentioned. So there's a lot of ways this can play out, but for new England, the only thing you really truly have to pray for is that should door goes number two or three, because then you get either the best or the second best player in this entire draft falling to you at four.

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And that doesn't happen very often.

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I mean, yeah, you had me on the show. No, I had to. Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, the problem is, though, if you're New England, if Shador doesn't go, right? Let's say Cleveland and the Giants pass, and it goes Abdul Carter 2, Hunter 3, or vice versa. Then now you're in, remember I said- You're in membo range. Yes. And Membo's a right tackle.

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Membo's a right tackle in college. And can he kick to the left side? Are they comfortable with that? And Will Campbell's a pure left tackle, but he's got 32 and a half inch arm length. And that's concerning when you're using a top 10 pick. You just want it to be clean. And so, and then you got Jalen Walker from Georgia who would do great things. Right.

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Edge rusher who do great things in Mike Vrabel's defense. But again, you're talking about elite and no matter what the draft, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter are elite. They're in that top tier to then like, it could be one of like six or seven guys with very similar grades. And now we're, now we are focusing more on the need.

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What's your blood pressure going to be like when Cleveland and the Giants come up to make their... Like during that...

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Yeah, probably.

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Yes. Don't you think? Probably. Probably.

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Yeah, of course you do.

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Unless you're a team behind trying to, the Giants would know if you're willing to give up that pick, you're not, you're not taking them.

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That's the play. We might move back to 789. The Jets are a surprise team. The Saints, whoever.

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It's like a hair. They're basically identical. The tricky part for Hunter is what's the plan, right? And for a team like New England, I've got to believe it's... You don't have Drake May and say, yeah, we just drafted this guy for overall generational talent. He's going to be a nickel corner as a rookie and eventually our starting corner. You might get 20 plays with him on offense.

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It's just not going to happen. So everyone is talking about the moonlighting where you'd like to play him at corner because that's the harder position in terms of developing and developing. the technique and being part of part of 11 there, whereas wide receivers, a little bit more ISO one, it's kind of like an NBA thing, you know?

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A lot of one-on-one stuff. So for New England, I can't imagine that would be the case. I think it would be you're a full-time receiver. We've got our biggest asset in this entire organization is Drake May. And so we've got to assist that.

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Yeah. So it depends on the team. But I'll say this. I think Travis Hunter is more advanced as a wide receiver right now. I think Travis Hunter can be Garrett Wilson with maybe a touch more juice after the catch. So I would have no problem with him being a 50-snap-a-game offensive player and 25 third downs, red zone, that kind of stuff on defense if you can manage all that.

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Like just, it's this random thing. Remember when Dion would come on the field to return a punch or kick? Do you remember like- Or when he would line up at receiver, it was like so exciting.

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The running backs are fascinating to me too, though.

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I just, Cam Hayward's what, 36 now? Right.

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For each of those teams, you look at the Raiders and like some of their other position, like wide receiver, there's no receiver to draft that high. Some of the other position, cornerback, like John A. Barron from Texas, but it's not like, we're not talking about, you know, one of those like elite, elite corners. Uh,

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you look at what Pete Carroll is at and he's not necessarily, you know, going to be the, it depends on what his role winds up being, but Tom Brady is going to play a big part in all of this too. But from a, From the standpoint of how they want to build it, you want to have a great defense. They want to recapture some of the Legion of Doom stuff.

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They want to have a running back like a Marshawn Lynch who can be there. A big banger. Protect the ball. Let the defense take care of a lot of the business on the field. And that's what Jinty is in terms of an every down back. The missed tackles forced. He's just... He's a special back.

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So it makes sense for that organization and for that pick where they are because it's not like they're passing on this elite pass rusher or corner or wide receiver that they shouldn't for a running back. And then for Chicago... They handle their business so well in free agency.

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Three offensive linemen. They're protecting their quarterback. They could go tackle with that spot if Will Campbell's still there. But I also... I have concerns enough with drafting a 32-and-a-half-inch-arm tackle in the top 10. And... If we bring in a running back to go with DeAndre Swift, how much more are we protecting our quarterback by having two backs?

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And so if one goes down, we still have a top shelf back. If both are in there, they're keeping each other fresh. We can run the football. We can take some pressure. I don't know. And we saw what Ben Johnson did with Jameer Gibbs and how quickly that offense went from, you know, 90 to 100. The one player, really.

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Could be, yeah. Isn't that crazy? There's only three starting tackles in the league at the end of the year with sub-33-inch arms. So you're playing... Parcells used to say, we don't want a roster full of exceptions, you know? So that part's concerning.

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No.

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Especially not this year when I'm looking at guys like Quinshawn Judkins from Ohio State and Cam Scadaboo. His tape I liked even more than I thought after watching the awesome things he did this season.

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I don't know that he's going to get there. He might not. But even if not, you've got R.J. Harvey from UCF. You've got D.J. Giddens from Kansas City.

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And so, and sometimes though, when you look at it and say, well, I can get those guys later. Sometimes it's like, hold, hold, you know, and then all of a sudden one goes and there will be this, this run. But I think everyone's going to kind of wait to see where the dominoes start to fall before they jump in.

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Cause no one wants to draft a, no one wants to draft a running back over some of these other premium positions. Even if you're talking about pick 40, they'd rather wait.

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Going back to the Bears, it's kind of what I said earlier, like the good teams, they plug all the holes so that they can pick the best player available. They do have a luxury pick, and you would say, well, how do the Bears have a luxury pick? Well, that would be, to a certain degree, a luxury pick, but it fits what they want to do. But the other part of it is,

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Maybe you say a 10 and you draft an offensive tackle, or maybe you draft an edge rusher, like a Mike Kell Williams from Georgia. Because they are picking it... I've got it right here. 39 and 41 in the second round. Yeah. And so if I... I love Omari and Hampton from UNC at running back.

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But what if I just take a stab at one of these pass rushers and look at what like the Eagles... What if I load up on my D?

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Load up on my D, go get Cam Scadaboo, go get Quinshawn Judkins, one of those guys at 39. I can still draft an offensive lineman or defensive player with that 41st pick. So there's different ways to look at all of this. And that's why I think it's gonna be fascinating. We... We're going to see at least two running backs in the first round, I think three.

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I don't know that we're going to see two in the top 10, but we could.

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I think everyone wants to be so quick to look at the highlights and the spectacular plays and they are spectacular. And then they want to look at his size and then they want to look at the report from Schultz. Was it that where he ran a four, four, eight, I talked to some scouts, they had closer to four, four, five, somewhere in that range, regardless. Um,

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I don't see the dog in him and I don't see the refinement and Drake London wasn't overly refined. He needed a year before he could be a thousand plus yard receiver, but that's the comp, right? Tall, just acrobatic type of guy, but they're, yes, the shades of, but they're not, they're not the same player.

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Absolutely. And he will go. I mean, he could go as high as Dallas at 12, let's say. But I had him going later in the first round. I had him going to the Ravens, kind of at that point, best player available. They could use another receiver. Probably go somewhere in between that range when it's all said and done. But I'm betting on Matthew Golden from Texas.

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If you need a receiver, that's why I gave you Dallas.

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I've got two. And then Emeka Ibuka could be the third that sneaks in from Ohio State. We'll see how he runs in his pro day. But he would be the third that I think has a good chance to go.

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Let me give you another name real quick.

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If you're not getting the receiver that first pick at 38 for New England, Jaden Higgins from Iowa State. Do a little work on him.

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They're looking for a physical receiver.

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I know, but I'm just saying, he's a name that fits what they're looking for.

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I think Jackson dart could be, I'm just looking at it right now.

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I'll give you a guy, everyone coming out of the combine. Nicky Manwari, right, from South Carolina. Really good player.

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I don't think an elite player yet. I think he's still getting there. I think used in the right scheme. I'd love to see him with, I would say... trying to think of Seattle would be a perfect spot, right? McDonald, the way he, he, what he did, Baltimore, Hamilton. I could see that being a really good marriage, but even worry was, was like almost six, four, 220 pounds.

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His combination of like size 40 time, which was four, four flat and vertical broad jump. It had never been done in the history of the combat. Like he's that special of an athlete. It was awesome to watch. I still think the other safety who ran after him and ran a pedestrian time and didn't jump like him.

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And I think Malachi Starks from Georgia could wind up being a top 15 pick ahead of Eamon Worry. And I think that would surprise people right now.

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We haven't talked about this publicly, but there's no better place to do it. I texted Russillo the other day with the old line of the town, the movie. I can't tell you what we're going to do. You can't ever tell us. Whose car are we taking? And I said, your answer needs to be whose car are we going to take? Right.

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And that was in regards to, I wanted to take over his house for the third day of the draft and do a live stream from there. I can't wait. Sounds great. So we're announcing that right now. Without permission, but I figured, who's going to yell at me? You, right? But I would love to do that as part of the day three of the draft to get Russell to run. I'm going to guess...

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I would be more interested in like the three cone or the short shuttle, the lateral agility with all that weightlifting. I just can't see that ending well.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Special teamer effort.

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Yeah. Kind of like that celebrity basketball game he played. I'll never forget that.

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Pretty good money they got for that, huh? Quite the investment.

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Oh yeah.

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All right, so... I mean, you turned me on to the, what is it, Bazana? I had to look up who Bazana was.

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Yeah, I actually did. And I'm sitting here, right? And I'm watching tape. And it was running back. So I'm on the eighth or ninth running back. And I've got like 20 more guys to do. And then we're texting about that. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to stop down for a minute. I thought I was going to take like 10 minutes and look through and see.

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Then I kind of got into my own little deep dive. All right, so everyone wants to say Shador's got a second-round grade for a lot of teams. I talked to two personnel people at the Combine who were in the 15-minute interviews with Shador Sanders for teams that are drafting in the top 10 that need a quarterback. And I was surprised.

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The information that came out was, and I'll kind of paraphrase or summarize, we got the vibe after meeting with all these other players and all the years of doing this, you can sense how important these meetings are for the individual player when they come in. For Shador, with us, we didn't get the sense that he cared an awful lot about what we thought of him.

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Right. Exactly. And so I'm getting that information. And I look at him as a player who in certain systems, certain situations, he's got a chance to really succeed in the league, but he's not for everybody. He's not a big, strong arm, mobile quarterback. He's none of those things. Right. Right.

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It's the biggest surprise you'll see. And he was talking about, I'm going to run faster than my dad. I'm like, I don't know if you're going to, if you were to run a 40, I don't know if you're going to break like 4'8". Yeah. So you've got all of that. And so now the reports come out from different people in the league. We don't even have a first round grade on them.

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And so I get it because in the teams that are willing to talk are the teams that don't have interest, right? So that's kind of the backdrop. And then you send me some of that stuff. And I had heard that Cleveland's a place that he has interest in. But that's a short list. And there are some teams.

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And I think those teams that I talked to that he didn't have the overwhelming interviews with are the ones that are on the list where Coach Prime's been telling us since, what, October, November, that there's going to be some teams that my son's just not going to go play for. So you start to put all these things together.

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And I just took a minute and I went back and I looked at Kevin Stefanski's history. What has made him successful? What has he been successful with? Well, Case Keenum, he won 11 games with as a coach. Kirk Cousins, he won 10 games with. And a quarterback coach, offensive coordinator, like hands-on with those guys. And so it got me thinking like, The skill sets are the same.

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Not big, not mobile, not elite arms, but process quickly. That's his secret sauce. That's what makes him special. Would you put Flacco in there? Flacco, modern-day Flacco, still has a big arm, but not like, you know, the Baltimore Ravens in his prime, Flacco, and has never been overly mobile.

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So, yeah, so he's winning games with these guys where pocket passers don't have these traits, but they all process quickly. They're accurate passers. That's what Shador is. And so now I'm looking at it, I'm saying, Cleveland is in purgatory salary cap-wise because of the Deshaun Watson deal. So if I'm Andrew Barry,

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What's happening? It's Todd McShay, and I'm back with a new home and a new show at The Ringer and Spotify, The McShay Show. It's a video and audio podcast coming to you year-round with all my NFL draft information, big boards, mock drafts, and player movement. Plus, I'll be chatting with some of my best friends in football, including some of your favorite football analysts.

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During the week, we'll have episodes on Tuesdays and Thursdays that'll include discussions about my player rankings, who's rising, who's falling, and who your NFL team should be keeping an eye on. Plus, we'll be reacting each week to the college football playoff polls and giving you previews and picks for each Saturday slate.

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In addition, I'll have episodes on Saturday nights with my immediate reaction to the full day in college football every week. So if you love the college game, the NFL, the draft, or all of it like me, make sure to like, follow, subscribe, and get ready for the McShay Show on the Ringer, Spotify, and wherever you watch or listen to podcasts.

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