Todd Spodek

I could only tell you what I see. Yeah, of course. What I've seen is... People who are very savvy, they meet in person. They make sure nobody's wearing a wire.

You're having one conversation with one person and the recipient of that conversation is 10 people away. So whoever receives the message can never point it back to you. Damn. Right, like think of cartels. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, cartels are not hanging out with fucking Pepe on 23rd Street being like, here's the drugs. There's 50 layers between these people.

You're having one conversation with one person and the recipient of that conversation is 10 people away. So whoever receives the message can never point it back to you. Damn. Right, like think of cartels. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, cartels are not hanging out with fucking Pepe on 23rd Street being like, here's the drugs. There's 50 layers between these people.

You're having one conversation with one person and the recipient of that conversation is 10 people away. So whoever receives the message can never point it back to you. Damn. Right, like think of cartels. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, cartels are not hanging out with fucking Pepe on 23rd Street being like, here's the drugs. There's 50 layers between these people.

There's – Yeah, so there's hundreds of these apps.

There's – Yeah, so there's hundreds of these apps.

There's – Yeah, so there's hundreds of these apps.

Well, Telegram has a number of problems. But the best apps are the ones that the sender controls. So for example, there are various messaging apps. I feel like I'm going to get myself jammed up. But there are various messaging apps where I could send a message and then I could delete the message on your phone.

Well, Telegram has a number of problems. But the best apps are the ones that the sender controls. So for example, there are various messaging apps. I feel like I'm going to get myself jammed up. But there are various messaging apps where I could send a message and then I could delete the message on your phone.

Well, Telegram has a number of problems. But the best apps are the ones that the sender controls. So for example, there are various messaging apps. I feel like I'm going to get myself jammed up. But there are various messaging apps where I could send a message and then I could delete the message on your phone.

But so the real trick, if you're not looking to have any of your information public, is not talk about things that you wouldn't want someone to see. Not have anything connected to you. Remember, cell site records alone pinpoint your location.

But so the real trick, if you're not looking to have any of your information public, is not talk about things that you wouldn't want someone to see. Not have anything connected to you. Remember, cell site records alone pinpoint your location.

But so the real trick, if you're not looking to have any of your information public, is not talk about things that you wouldn't want someone to see. Not have anything connected to you. Remember, cell site records alone pinpoint your location.

All day long.

All day long.

All day long.

Every day. Really? That's what I'm saying. No real criminal has cell phones. Do you know what I mean?

Every day. Really? That's what I'm saying. No real criminal has cell phones. Do you know what I mean?

Every day. Really? That's what I'm saying. No real criminal has cell phones. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. First of all, everything is documented. You purchase something, it shows where you are. You use the train, it shows where you are. It triangulates everything. The messages are stored on the cloud. You could connect people from a conspiracy by pictures on Instagram and communications. It's just so much.