Todd Stephenson

And look, the other egregious cases are things like the Teachers' Council.

You've probably heard of this case where they actually made a submission on the Treaty Principles Bill, so something close to Axe Heart.

And then a teacher...

publicly disagreed with their position of making a submission and was gone after publicly.

So, yeah, they're the other kinds of examples.

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah.

And look, it's really good that the Public Service Commission is looking into it.

You know, ministers need to be able to trust the advice that they're being given by their officials and obfuscating, hiding,

Obviously, you know, changing how things are presented, completely unacceptable.

Look, I'd like to say no, but there are some other examples that have been brought to my attention.

Luckily, they've been picked up by other ministers.

But look, I think we just need to make sure that the public service is serving the government of the day.

They are politically neutral.

And look, yeah, we've got to be able to rely on them.

And look, we want our public service to be professional and competent.

And look, we just can't allow things like what happened at MB to go on.

Look, we're still going through a process.

We've committed to announcing that at our AGM and rally in a couple of weeks, Mike.

Are you it?