Tom Bradby

As a British person who's covered politics my whole life, I just think if you're the prime minister, you've got to assume that if something were to happen in Eastern Europe, would Donald Trump be there for us?

I think the only answer you can conclude is

In terms of something we can rely on, no, sure, America's not going to leave NATO.

Donald Trump can't do that because of the act that Marco Rubio put through Congress.

But I mean, where do you feel we are on NATO?

Can I ask you both a question which I've sort of been burning to ask someone whose opinion I really value and it's kind of just been on my mind.

I think in Europe, we're very focused on Russia and Russia is the enemy.

It's a sort of coin toss about if I'm talking to my kids and I was at a school event the other day and some 15 year old put up his hand and said, am I going to be conscripted and have to fight in a war?

And it was such a sort of sobering question and really made me think about it.

Obviously, in Europe, it's Russia we're worried about.

But you could make the argument that the most likely prospect of a world war in the next 50 years is America against China.

One thing that I'm always amazed that Americans don't seem to spend more time talking about is, if you're America in that fight, wouldn't you rather have Europe on your side than be doing it alone?

In that sense, America ought to be more invested in NATO than it sometimes seems to be, or is that just too esoteric to say?

I mean, I think the thing that freaks me out, as we're talking, having this conversation about three weeks ago, the front page story on the Times on a Saturday morning was European leaders and officials now reconsidering worst case scenario.

Worst case scenario is not that the US turns out not to be a reliable NATO ally, but that it actually potentially becomes a hostile ally.

force or at least a neutral force in that it does a deal with Russia, perhaps to neutralize Russia and its ongoing issues with China.

I read that and I thought the tectonic plates are on the point of shifting so

majorly here that none of us can get our heads around it.

I know we're talking about the Russians interfering in Europe, which unquestionably they're doing, but it's happening in the context of these massive plate shifts that I don't think anyone can get their head around.

Yeah.