Tom Drake

Well, what if you're in that country and they find out that you're really a spy, quote unquote, civilian, but you're really a, you're operating like a spy, even when you're, quote unquote, helping the locals? That's a compromise. That's a corruption of the mission. But it's too tempting. It's just, you get into the whole dynamics of this and the psychology of,

I've always said this is where he gets into sort of my own, because, yeah, I was part of that environment. I was part of what I'll call the normal part of the environment, not the sort of the compromised part until later, where it's just, it becomes, I mean, remember, spying is the world's second oldest profession. That's kind of the joke.

I've always said this is where he gets into sort of my own, because, yeah, I was part of that environment. I was part of what I'll call the normal part of the environment, not the sort of the compromised part until later, where it's just, it becomes, I mean, remember, spying is the world's second oldest profession. That's kind of the joke.

I've always said this is where he gets into sort of my own, because, yeah, I was part of that environment. I was part of what I'll call the normal part of the environment, not the sort of the compromised part until later, where it's just, it becomes, I mean, remember, spying is the world's second oldest profession. That's kind of the joke.

I'll just say it that way. It doesn't surprise me. And it's, I think, remember the government at large, but particularly the agencies that don't get a whole lot of direct public attention, even though you may hear about them in the news, national security, like USAID, Pentagon at large, How do you audit them? How do you audit them?

I'll just say it that way. It doesn't surprise me. And it's, I think, remember the government at large, but particularly the agencies that don't get a whole lot of direct public attention, even though you may hear about them in the news, national security, like USAID, Pentagon at large, How do you audit them? How do you audit them?

I'll just say it that way. It doesn't surprise me. And it's, I think, remember the government at large, but particularly the agencies that don't get a whole lot of direct public attention, even though you may hear about them in the news, national security, like USAID, Pentagon at large, How do you audit them? How do you audit them?

Remember, follow the money, but what if you don't want to follow the money? Meaning you don't want people to follow the money, because if you follow the money, you're gonna find out where the money went. And when you find out where the money went, you're gonna find out that the money went for things that you don't really want the public to know about.

Remember, follow the money, but what if you don't want to follow the money? Meaning you don't want people to follow the money, because if you follow the money, you're gonna find out where the money went. And when you find out where the money went, you're gonna find out that the money went for things that you don't really want the public to know about.

Remember, follow the money, but what if you don't want to follow the money? Meaning you don't want people to follow the money, because if you follow the money, you're gonna find out where the money went. And when you find out where the money went, you're gonna find out that the money went for things that you don't really want the public to know about.

Agency for International Development.

Agency for International Development.

Agency for International Development.

No, I knew people. Remember, because of my long government career, I knew people. I had a neighbor that was a senior in the USA agency.

No, I knew people. Remember, because of my long government career, I knew people. I had a neighbor that was a senior in the USA agency.

No, I knew people. Remember, because of my long government career, I knew people. I had a neighbor that was a senior in the USA agency.

But we did that, as I well know, as I discovered, but I well knew that we were doing that with certain, you know, our own corporations. Hey, if you go overseas and have a contract with even an allied government, let's backdoor. Let's just use it and you funnel everything back to us.

But we did that, as I well know, as I discovered, but I well knew that we were doing that with certain, you know, our own corporations. Hey, if you go overseas and have a contract with even an allied government, let's backdoor. Let's just use it and you funnel everything back to us.

But we did that, as I well know, as I discovered, but I well knew that we were doing that with certain, you know, our own corporations. Hey, if you go overseas and have a contract with even an allied government, let's backdoor. Let's just use it and you funnel everything back to us.

I've heard that argument. I understand the argument. I understand that. Then just be open about it. But see, that's the problem. If that's true- It doesn't work if you're open about it. But that's the paradox, isn't it? Yeah. But then it justifies continuing it because, oh, we don't want them to take it over. Now you're in just this vicious cycle.