Tom Drake

All came out in the 70s. So it's not like NSA has always operated lawfully. It's part of the problem when you're secret. It's too tempting. It's too convenient. And then you partner with certain companies. A lot of the partnerships that I'm aware of, The precursors of partnerships, this is pre 9-11, were already in existence. Super secret. There was a special, there's a special office.

All came out in the 70s. So it's not like NSA has always operated lawfully. It's part of the problem when you're secret. It's too tempting. It's too convenient. And then you partner with certain companies. A lot of the partnerships that I'm aware of, The precursors of partnerships, this is pre 9-11, were already in existence. Super secret. There was a special, there's a special office.

All came out in the 70s. So it's not like NSA has always operated lawfully. It's part of the problem when you're secret. It's too tempting. It's too convenient. And then you partner with certain companies. A lot of the partnerships that I'm aware of, The precursors of partnerships, this is pre 9-11, were already in existence. Super secret. There was a special, there's a special office.

They changed the name to quote unquote protect, to protect the guilty over the years. There's a special office. It deals with corporate partnerships. But it's, imagine it's incredibly sensitive.

They changed the name to quote unquote protect, to protect the guilty over the years. There's a special office. It deals with corporate partnerships. But it's, imagine it's incredibly sensitive.

They changed the name to quote unquote protect, to protect the guilty over the years. There's a special office. It deals with corporate partnerships. But it's, imagine it's incredibly sensitive.

if it's the US, if it's to support national security in the United States, who's going to argue with that? Right. Remember, a lot goes under the imprimatur of national security.

if it's the US, if it's to support national security in the United States, who's going to argue with that? Right. Remember, a lot goes under the imprimatur of national security.

if it's the US, if it's to support national security in the United States, who's going to argue with that? Right. Remember, a lot goes under the imprimatur of national security.

Well, the CIA had a standing program where they would actually have their journalists and they would seed certain things into the media years way before 9-11. This is like Project Mockingbird. Mockingbird is the primary one. The Mockingbird was a very- During Kennedy, right? Yeah. Well, yeah. But there was a lot of other programs similar where you're using fronts.

Well, the CIA had a standing program where they would actually have their journalists and they would seed certain things into the media years way before 9-11. This is like Project Mockingbird. Mockingbird is the primary one. The Mockingbird was a very- During Kennedy, right? Yeah. Well, yeah. But there was a lot of other programs similar where you're using fronts.

Well, the CIA had a standing program where they would actually have their journalists and they would seed certain things into the media years way before 9-11. This is like Project Mockingbird. Mockingbird is the primary one. The Mockingbird was a very- During Kennedy, right? Yeah. Well, yeah. But there was a lot of other programs similar where you're using fronts.

USAID, for example, which was great. I mean, this is huge.

USAID, for example, which was great. I mean, this is huge.

USAID, for example, which was great. I mean, this is huge.

I mean, if you're overseas, Peace Corps, unfortunately, Peace Corps got used. This is where For all the right reasons, the Peace Corps, right, did exist. But what if they're being used to, quote unquote, collect intelligence?

I mean, if you're overseas, Peace Corps, unfortunately, Peace Corps got used. This is where For all the right reasons, the Peace Corps, right, did exist. But what if they're being used to, quote unquote, collect intelligence?

I mean, if you're overseas, Peace Corps, unfortunately, Peace Corps got used. This is where For all the right reasons, the Peace Corps, right, did exist. But what if they're being used to, quote unquote, collect intelligence?

Well, what if you're in that country and they find out that you're really a spy, quote unquote, civilian, but you're really a, you're operating like a spy, even when you're, quote unquote, helping the locals? That's a compromise. That's a corruption of the mission. But it's too tempting. It's just, you get into the whole dynamics of this and the psychology of,

Well, what if you're in that country and they find out that you're really a spy, quote unquote, civilian, but you're really a, you're operating like a spy, even when you're, quote unquote, helping the locals? That's a compromise. That's a corruption of the mission. But it's too tempting. It's just, you get into the whole dynamics of this and the psychology of,