Tom Drake

But you're also generating a whole bunch of rabbit holes. Right. And people get lost in the rabbit holes. Yeah. You can imagine, I'll just share this because I have inside knowledge on this, the kind of phone calls that the main desk, just the operator, the main operator, public operator NSA receives is a team of people. You can only imagine the bizarre at times calls that come in on that line.

But you're also generating a whole bunch of rabbit holes. Right. And people get lost in the rabbit holes. Yeah. You can imagine, I'll just share this because I have inside knowledge on this, the kind of phone calls that the main desk, just the operator, the main operator, public operator NSA receives is a team of people. You can only imagine the bizarre at times calls that come in on that line.

It's stunning. I can't imagine. Oh no, I've had conversations with people that have had the conversations, right? And it's just, they shake their head. They have a whole protocol for how they handle it. But there's people that actually, you know, allege all kinds of things. Or they'll start saying, you know, I've got a chip planted in my head. And I'm communicating.

It's stunning. I can't imagine. Oh no, I've had conversations with people that have had the conversations, right? And it's just, they shake their head. They have a whole protocol for how they handle it. But there's people that actually, you know, allege all kinds of things. Or they'll start saying, you know, I've got a chip planted in my head. And I'm communicating.

It's stunning. I can't imagine. Oh no, I've had conversations with people that have had the conversations, right? And it's just, they shake their head. They have a whole protocol for how they handle it. But there's people that actually, you know, allege all kinds of things. Or they'll start saying, you know, I've got a chip planted in my head. And I'm communicating.

Or somebody's communicating with me. And it's secret. But I need to share this. In some cases, they definitely want to share it. But they're going to call off NSA. People ascribe. On the other hand, it has enormous power. This is where the spider web comment. Remember the uncle? With great power comes great responsibility? Well, also, you can commit all kinds of irresponsibility.

Or somebody's communicating with me. And it's secret. But I need to share this. In some cases, they definitely want to share it. But they're going to call off NSA. People ascribe. On the other hand, it has enormous power. This is where the spider web comment. Remember the uncle? With great power comes great responsibility? Well, also, you can commit all kinds of irresponsibility.

Or somebody's communicating with me. And it's secret. But I need to share this. In some cases, they definitely want to share it. But they're going to call off NSA. People ascribe. On the other hand, it has enormous power. This is where the spider web comment. Remember the uncle? With great power comes great responsibility? Well, also, you can commit all kinds of irresponsibility.

With the power, and too often, as it was my experience, for all the things that are legit, right, what happens when it's turned for other purposes? What happens when they use national security to bend law, get around law, violate your privacy, conduct operations in the shadows? See, the shadow land, is that what I call the shadow land? Yes.

With the power, and too often, as it was my experience, for all the things that are legit, right, what happens when it's turned for other purposes? What happens when they use national security to bend law, get around law, violate your privacy, conduct operations in the shadows? See, the shadow land, is that what I call the shadow land? Yes.

With the power, and too often, as it was my experience, for all the things that are legit, right, what happens when it's turned for other purposes? What happens when they use national security to bend law, get around law, violate your privacy, conduct operations in the shadows? See, the shadow land, is that what I call the shadow land? Yes.

This goes back decades, though, way before all of the digital age. It goes back, Operation Shamrock, special program, NSA, 1950s. Actually, it was in the government even before NSA, the precursors to NSA. So one of the means, how did you send out electronic messages back then? in the 50s or even earlier. Remember with the invention of the telegraph. One of the things that came about was telex.

This goes back decades, though, way before all of the digital age. It goes back, Operation Shamrock, special program, NSA, 1950s. Actually, it was in the government even before NSA, the precursors to NSA. So one of the means, how did you send out electronic messages back then? in the 50s or even earlier. Remember with the invention of the telegraph. One of the things that came about was telex.

This goes back decades, though, way before all of the digital age. It goes back, Operation Shamrock, special program, NSA, 1950s. Actually, it was in the government even before NSA, the precursors to NSA. So one of the means, how did you send out electronic messages back then? in the 50s or even earlier. Remember with the invention of the telegraph. One of the things that came about was telex.

Well, there was a small set of companies, RCA was one of them, that were response, Western Union, okay? They were responsible for telex. Guess what they were, who they were sharing it with? This all came out in the 70s. People forget all this came out during those investigations in the 70s. Pike Committee, Church, Bell Abzug, Rockefeller Commission, and others. Right.

Well, there was a small set of companies, RCA was one of them, that were response, Western Union, okay? They were responsible for telex. Guess what they were, who they were sharing it with? This all came out in the 70s. People forget all this came out during those investigations in the 70s. Pike Committee, Church, Bell Abzug, Rockefeller Commission, and others. Right.

Well, there was a small set of companies, RCA was one of them, that were response, Western Union, okay? They were responsible for telex. Guess what they were, who they were sharing it with? This all came out in the 70s. People forget all this came out during those investigations in the 70s. Pike Committee, Church, Bell Abzug, Rockefeller Commission, and others. Right.

Secretly sharing, it was supposed to be protected information, but it, quote, unquote, had intelligence value. So basically, they had a special conduit, which all of those telegrams are being provided en masse to NSA, right? Minaret, spying on Americans. Remember, foreign intelligence, wait a minute, this is domestic. You're not the agency that does domestic, or they did under Minaret for years.

Secretly sharing, it was supposed to be protected information, but it, quote, unquote, had intelligence value. So basically, they had a special conduit, which all of those telegrams are being provided en masse to NSA, right? Minaret, spying on Americans. Remember, foreign intelligence, wait a minute, this is domestic. You're not the agency that does domestic, or they did under Minaret for years.

Secretly sharing, it was supposed to be protected information, but it, quote, unquote, had intelligence value. So basically, they had a special conduit, which all of those telegrams are being provided en masse to NSA, right? Minaret, spying on Americans. Remember, foreign intelligence, wait a minute, this is domestic. You're not the agency that does domestic, or they did under Minaret for years.