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Tom Drake

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Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

We had ways we did this technical examination of the organization in terms of what they were creating, their projects and programs. We also examined the leadership and management structure, and then we would create a report. And we invite all the key principals, including basically the entire organization into like a conference room. A lot of the managers in particular did not, leaders, right?

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

We had ways we did this technical examination of the organization in terms of what they were creating, their projects and programs. We also examined the leadership and management structure, and then we would create a report. And we invite all the key principals, including basically the entire organization into like a conference room. A lot of the managers in particular did not, leaders, right?

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Some quite senior did not appreciate this, right? Because they're being exposed even from within, even though it's a safe environment, they're still being exposed. Took great exception to it. Just to give you an indication of how difficult it is, even when it's for all the right reasons and when it's actually necessary for the continuance and the sustainment of the mission.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Some quite senior did not appreciate this, right? Because they're being exposed even from within, even though it's a safe environment, they're still being exposed. Took great exception to it. Just to give you an indication of how difficult it is, even when it's for all the right reasons and when it's actually necessary for the continuance and the sustainment of the mission.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Some quite senior did not appreciate this, right? Because they're being exposed even from within, even though it's a safe environment, they're still being exposed. Took great exception to it. Just to give you an indication of how difficult it is, even when it's for all the right reasons and when it's actually necessary for the continuance and the sustainment of the mission.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Remember the whole thing, my upbringing was mission, mission, mission. So bringing in outside expertise, and it's ironic because this is where NSA is like, well, and it started in the mid-80s, by the way, we're just going to go buy solutions, spend tons of money. We can't do it. We don't want to do it.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Remember the whole thing, my upbringing was mission, mission, mission. So bringing in outside expertise, and it's ironic because this is where NSA is like, well, and it started in the mid-80s, by the way, we're just going to go buy solutions, spend tons of money. We can't do it. We don't want to do it.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Remember the whole thing, my upbringing was mission, mission, mission. So bringing in outside expertise, and it's ironic because this is where NSA is like, well, and it started in the mid-80s, by the way, we're just going to go buy solutions, spend tons of money. We can't do it. We don't want to do it.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

So we'll go to the corporate America, military industrial complex, or some of the new emerging industries. Silicon Valley companies that we mentioned earlier, like Google, for example. I'm actually responsible. I'll take credit, but with some embarrassment, responsible for bringing the first Google appliance in NSA, which then got summarily rejected. We'll get to that one. Okay.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

So we'll go to the corporate America, military industrial complex, or some of the new emerging industries. Silicon Valley companies that we mentioned earlier, like Google, for example. I'm actually responsible. I'll take credit, but with some embarrassment, responsible for bringing the first Google appliance in NSA, which then got summarily rejected. We'll get to that one. Okay.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

So we'll go to the corporate America, military industrial complex, or some of the new emerging industries. Silicon Valley companies that we mentioned earlier, like Google, for example. I'm actually responsible. I'll take credit, but with some embarrassment, responsible for bringing the first Google appliance in NSA, which then got summarily rejected. We'll get to that one. Okay.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Because of what it found. Right. These are the boxes it would send out to all the little spiders to pick up... all the, you know, any, right? Well, it turns out even, I'll just mention it, I might as well say it now. Even at NSA, even though I had a very high clearance, beyond the high clearance, there were special red zones, special compartmented programs off limits to very few people.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Because of what it found. Right. These are the boxes it would send out to all the little spiders to pick up... all the, you know, any, right? Well, it turns out even, I'll just mention it, I might as well say it now. Even at NSA, even though I had a very high clearance, beyond the high clearance, there were special red zones, special compartmented programs off limits to very few people.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Because of what it found. Right. These are the boxes it would send out to all the little spiders to pick up... all the, you know, any, right? Well, it turns out even, I'll just mention it, I might as well say it now. Even at NSA, even though I had a very high clearance, beyond the high clearance, there were special red zones, special compartmented programs off limits to very few people.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Most people wouldn't even known about them. Some of them for legitimate reasons why you're protecting very, very, very sensitive sources and methods. Certain operations overseas, certain types of technology you're employing that you don't want anybody to know about outside those that are using it. I knew what those were like when I was involved in SAP and SAR in the military.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Most people wouldn't even known about them. Some of them for legitimate reasons why you're protecting very, very, very sensitive sources and methods. Certain operations overseas, certain types of technology you're employing that you don't want anybody to know about outside those that are using it. I knew what those were like when I was involved in SAP and SAR in the military.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Most people wouldn't even known about them. Some of them for legitimate reasons why you're protecting very, very, very sensitive sources and methods. Certain operations overseas, certain types of technology you're employing that you don't want anybody to know about outside those that are using it. I knew what those were like when I was involved in SAP and SAR in the military.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Only the people that are inside that compartment, that mission compartment, would know and would have access to the information. Even the commander of our unit, would know you just know that it this is how you protect for legitimate reasons you don't want to compromise member military operations especially when they're hypersensitive right okay

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Only the people that are inside that compartment, that mission compartment, would know and would have access to the information. Even the commander of our unit, would know you just know that it this is how you protect for legitimate reasons you don't want to compromise member military operations especially when they're hypersensitive right okay

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Only the people that are inside that compartment, that mission compartment, would know and would have access to the information. Even the commander of our unit, would know you just know that it this is how you protect for legitimate reasons you don't want to compromise member military operations especially when they're hypersensitive right okay