Tom Drake

So it found, the Google appliance found, it went right through what they thought was the firewalls, bypassed the firewall, went cruising right through. And this is, it's in essence cataloging all these hypersensitive, like I'd say hypersensitive programs. Of course, you can imagine the embarrassment if your NSA leadership shut it down. Just shut it down.

So it found, the Google appliance found, it went right through what they thought was the firewalls, bypassed the firewall, went cruising right through. And this is, it's in essence cataloging all these hypersensitive, like I'd say hypersensitive programs. Of course, you can imagine the embarrassment if your NSA leadership shut it down. Just shut it down.

So it found, the Google appliance found, it went right through what they thought was the firewalls, bypassed the firewall, went cruising right through. And this is, it's in essence cataloging all these hypersensitive, like I'd say hypersensitive programs. Of course, you can imagine the embarrassment if your NSA leadership shut it down. Just shut it down.

Oh, pensioning NSA firewalls. Remember, NSA, their way – they just kept – it's Rube Goldberg. Remember, it had its own net, old school, right? But there was a point where they were even arguing whether an individual should even have access to email. That's how bad it was in the early days. So what they did is they built this very complex Rube Goldberg just –

Oh, pensioning NSA firewalls. Remember, NSA, their way – they just kept – it's Rube Goldberg. Remember, it had its own net, old school, right? But there was a point where they were even arguing whether an individual should even have access to email. That's how bad it was in the early days. So what they did is they built this very complex Rube Goldberg just –

Oh, pensioning NSA firewalls. Remember, NSA, their way – they just kept – it's Rube Goldberg. Remember, it had its own net, old school, right? But there was a point where they were even arguing whether an individual should even have access to email. That's how bad it was in the early days. So what they did is they built this very complex Rube Goldberg just –

just kept adding and adding on and it was called the NSA net. It's like internet, but it's, it's inside NSA.

just kept adding and adding on and it was called the NSA net. It's like internet, but it's, it's inside NSA.

just kept adding and adding on and it was called the NSA net. It's like internet, but it's, it's inside NSA.

Okay. Okay. It's all network. Everything's networked. Yep. So there is, there was a net, this goes way back. This goes back. Right. But it was very difficult post nine 11 to figure out what you had. what's important, what's critical, how do we keep, I mean, there's just staggering amounts of data, right? We're not just talking regular internet.

Okay. Okay. It's all network. Everything's networked. Yep. So there is, there was a net, this goes way back. This goes back. Right. But it was very difficult post nine 11 to figure out what you had. what's important, what's critical, how do we keep, I mean, there's just staggering amounts of data, right? We're not just talking regular internet.

Okay. Okay. It's all network. Everything's networked. Yep. So there is, there was a net, this goes way back. This goes back. Right. But it was very difficult post nine 11 to figure out what you had. what's important, what's critical, how do we keep, I mean, there's just staggering amounts of data, right? We're not just talking regular internet.

We're talking about the vast just volumes of information, data, raw data coming, streaming in from all the collection sites, from everywhere.

We're talking about the vast just volumes of information, data, raw data coming, streaming in from all the collection sites, from everywhere.

We're talking about the vast just volumes of information, data, raw data coming, streaming in from all the collection sites, from everywhere.

everywhere right and that's that's so that's the vast enterprise and where was it all being stored various places right there's a huge data center now in utah now that had to be developed because they're what they're running out of room quote unquote physical room to even put the servers up which had you know we're talking it's a petabyte level okay, all the data.

everywhere right and that's that's so that's the vast enterprise and where was it all being stored various places right there's a huge data center now in utah now that had to be developed because they're what they're running out of room quote unquote physical room to even put the servers up which had you know we're talking it's a petabyte level okay, all the data.

everywhere right and that's that's so that's the vast enterprise and where was it all being stored various places right there's a huge data center now in utah now that had to be developed because they're what they're running out of room quote unquote physical room to even put the servers up which had you know we're talking it's a petabyte level okay, all the data.

So now there's an entire facility which can actually grow even more if they needed to. So there is locations, physical locations, without mentioning where they are, on the campus, they call it the NSA larger campus at Fort Meade, where they would have special buildings that are all air chilled, right? Chillers and everything else, vast. Some are underground, some are in special buildings, right?

So now there's an entire facility which can actually grow even more if they needed to. So there is locations, physical locations, without mentioning where they are, on the campus, they call it the NSA larger campus at Fort Meade, where they would have special buildings that are all air chilled, right? Chillers and everything else, vast. Some are underground, some are in special buildings, right?