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Tom Drake

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Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

The general counsel comes out from Mountain View, that was their home office, it was Mountain View, California. He comes out, he does his own internal investigation, brings in all of us, a lot of us to interview. And I looked at him and I said, weren't we under, remember, you know my background, right? My background already, just the summary of it.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

The general counsel comes out from Mountain View, that was their home office, it was Mountain View, California. He comes out, he does his own internal investigation, brings in all of us, a lot of us to interview. And I looked at him and I said, weren't we under, remember, you know my background, right? My background already, just the summary of it.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

He's sitting there in his chair, and I looked at him at one point in his interview, and I said, were we under an obligation to deliver something that actually worked? No, we weren't. Contract plus. All we had to do was show best effort. I just stopped. I mean, my jaw just like dropped. He didn't care whether or not the program delivered. All he cared about was the funds kept flowing.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

He's sitting there in his chair, and I looked at him at one point in his interview, and I said, were we under an obligation to deliver something that actually worked? No, we weren't. Contract plus. All we had to do was show best effort. I just stopped. I mean, my jaw just like dropped. He didn't care whether or not the program delivered. All he cared about was the funds kept flowing.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

He's sitting there in his chair, and I looked at him at one point in his interview, and I said, were we under an obligation to deliver something that actually worked? No, we weren't. Contract plus. All we had to do was show best effort. I just stopped. I mean, my jaw just like dropped. He didn't care whether or not the program delivered. All he cared about was the funds kept flowing.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Didn't matter what was developed. It didn't matter it didn't work. It didn't matter that it was a piece of crap. And I'm being polite when I say that. Didn't matter. This was my now dawning realization after having worked with extraordinary people that you'll never hear about in the field when I flew, right? Especially overseas. dedicated to the mission, not to just lining their pockets.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Didn't matter what was developed. It didn't matter it didn't work. It didn't matter that it was a piece of crap. And I'm being polite when I say that. Didn't matter. This was my now dawning realization after having worked with extraordinary people that you'll never hear about in the field when I flew, right? Especially overseas. dedicated to the mission, not to just lining their pockets.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Didn't matter what was developed. It didn't matter it didn't work. It didn't matter that it was a piece of crap. And I'm being polite when I say that. Didn't matter. This was my now dawning realization after having worked with extraordinary people that you'll never hear about in the field when I flew, right? Especially overseas. dedicated to the mission, not to just lining their pockets.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Yeah, I get in the American capital is, yeah, make a profit. But now you're talking obscene levels of profit. And then wait a minute, it didn't matter that we've, it's one thing you've spent a lot of money and you actually deliver something. It's a whole nother thing to spend a whole lot of money and not deliver. Increasingly, they weren't delivering.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Yeah, I get in the American capital is, yeah, make a profit. But now you're talking obscene levels of profit. And then wait a minute, it didn't matter that we've, it's one thing you've spent a lot of money and you actually deliver something. It's a whole nother thing to spend a whole lot of money and not deliver. Increasingly, they weren't delivering.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

Yeah, I get in the American capital is, yeah, make a profit. But now you're talking obscene levels of profit. And then wait a minute, it didn't matter that we've, it's one thing you've spent a lot of money and you actually deliver something. It's a whole nother thing to spend a whole lot of money and not deliver. Increasingly, they weren't delivering.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

And then they would just, because it's what they call sunk cost in the economics, you just keep spending, dumping more money and money into the hole, right? Right. So long story short, In February of, so to give you a background, that I was very sensitive now to corruption, to fraud, waste, and abuse, had already been a whistleblower.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

And then they would just, because it's what they call sunk cost in the economics, you just keep spending, dumping more money and money into the hole, right? Right. So long story short, In February of, so to give you a background, that I was very sensitive now to corruption, to fraud, waste, and abuse, had already been a whistleblower.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

And then they would just, because it's what they call sunk cost in the economics, you just keep spending, dumping more money and money into the hole, right? Right. So long story short, In February of, so to give you a background, that I was very sensitive now to corruption, to fraud, waste, and abuse, had already been a whistleblower.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

I was even a whistleblower in the military, but that's another story. When I was on the Compass Call Mission, Big Safari, right? Big Safari is another interesting program. It's sort of the umbrella program. It funds a lot of this, including what I was doing overseas. February 2001, I just moved into a new house where I live, right, in Maryland. I was doing really, really well.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

I was even a whistleblower in the military, but that's another story. When I was on the Compass Call Mission, Big Safari, right? Big Safari is another interesting program. It's sort of the umbrella program. It funds a lot of this, including what I was doing overseas. February 2001, I just moved into a new house where I live, right, in Maryland. I was doing really, really well.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

I was even a whistleblower in the military, but that's another story. When I was on the Compass Call Mission, Big Safari, right? Big Safari is another interesting program. It's sort of the umbrella program. It funds a lot of this, including what I was doing overseas. February 2001, I just moved into a new house where I live, right, in Maryland. I was doing really, really well.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

I had special projects, contracts. I was working with the University of California, Riverside. I was still doing all my consulting. I had been expanded. I was now a principal in a boutique.com. This is the late, the 98, 99, 2000 early aughts. Flying all over. I used to fly in the nerd bird flight. They call it the nerd bird flight. Dulles de San Jose. A lot of spying went on in that plane.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

I had special projects, contracts. I was working with the University of California, Riverside. I was still doing all my consulting. I had been expanded. I was now a principal in a boutique.com. This is the late, the 98, 99, 2000 early aughts. Flying all over. I used to fly in the nerd bird flight. They call it the nerd bird flight. Dulles de San Jose. A lot of spying went on in that plane.

Danny Jones Podcast
#288 - Top NSA Official Reveals Darkest Secrets of the Deep State | Tom Drake

I had special projects, contracts. I was working with the University of California, Riverside. I was still doing all my consulting. I had been expanded. I was now a principal in a boutique.com. This is the late, the 98, 99, 2000 early aughts. Flying all over. I used to fly in the nerd bird flight. They call it the nerd bird flight. Dulles de San Jose. A lot of spying went on in that plane.