Tom Drake

I'm unwinding it now. I'll say, share something off the record with you. Um, maybe during the break, but I, uh, because I don't really want, there's certain things I don't advertise still does.

I'm unwinding it now. I'll say, share something off the record with you. Um, maybe during the break, but I, uh, because I don't really want, there's certain things I don't advertise still does.

very dark future right because the indictment included five charges counts under the espionage act same it's the same espionage actor was used against john well yes okay It was the same, at this time, I was only the second American, and this guy's a whistleblower, who had been charged. Ellsberg was the first. Ellsberg was the first for non-spy activities.

very dark future right because the indictment included five charges counts under the espionage act same it's the same espionage actor was used against john well yes okay It was the same, at this time, I was only the second American, and this guy's a whistleblower, who had been charged. Ellsberg was the first. Ellsberg was the first for non-spy activities.

very dark future right because the indictment included five charges counts under the espionage act same it's the same espionage actor was used against john well yes okay It was the same, at this time, I was only the second American, and this guy's a whistleblower, who had been charged. Ellsberg was the first. Ellsberg was the first for non-spy activities.

He was a senior. He was a senior. It's very similar in terms of his position in government. And he exposed, was part of the study, but then exposed the Pentagon Papers to the press. Caused a huge stir. It was no doubt partially responsible for the demise of the Nixon administration. And he ended up facing 115 years in prison and went to trial.

He was a senior. He was a senior. It's very similar in terms of his position in government. And he exposed, was part of the study, but then exposed the Pentagon Papers to the press. Caused a huge stir. It was no doubt partially responsible for the demise of the Nixon administration. And he ended up facing 115 years in prison and went to trial.

He was a senior. He was a senior. It's very similar in terms of his position in government. And he exposed, was part of the study, but then exposed the Pentagon Papers to the press. Caused a huge stir. It was no doubt partially responsible for the demise of the Nixon administration. And he ended up facing 115 years in prison and went to trial.

And the trial went on for a couple of years until they broke into his psychiatrist's office looking for dirt. And the judge threw the case out because of malpractice. Misconduct on the part of the prosecution.

And the trial went on for a couple of years until they broke into his psychiatrist's office looking for dirt. And the judge threw the case out because of malpractice. Misconduct on the part of the prosecution.

And the trial went on for a couple of years until they broke into his psychiatrist's office looking for dirt. And the judge threw the case out because of malpractice. Misconduct on the part of the prosecution.

Yeah, the way, well, you know, the Supreme Court left room open to go after a source with the same charge. Got it. There was more protections. This gets into a whole, you know, press reporting, right? Right. Is the press liable or is it the source? Now, that's changed, especially under Obama, where it was clear they were also saying, hey, press, you know, you could be next. And then under, well...

Yeah, the way, well, you know, the Supreme Court left room open to go after a source with the same charge. Got it. There was more protections. This gets into a whole, you know, press reporting, right? Right. Is the press liable or is it the source? Now, that's changed, especially under Obama, where it was clear they were also saying, hey, press, you know, you could be next. And then under, well...

Yeah, the way, well, you know, the Supreme Court left room open to go after a source with the same charge. Got it. There was more protections. This gets into a whole, you know, press reporting, right? Right. Is the press liable or is it the source? Now, that's changed, especially under Obama, where it was clear they were also saying, hey, press, you know, you could be next. And then under, well...

In terms of Sterling, he's another one charged on the Espionage Act. Jeffrey Sterling, another CIA employee. Not familiar with that one. Ended up in prison. He... They tried to get James Risen, right? This is the same one who was the co-author of the December 2005 article, wrote this article about Operation Merlin. Interesting.

In terms of Sterling, he's another one charged on the Espionage Act. Jeffrey Sterling, another CIA employee. Not familiar with that one. Ended up in prison. He... They tried to get James Risen, right? This is the same one who was the co-author of the December 2005 article, wrote this article about Operation Merlin. Interesting.

In terms of Sterling, he's another one charged on the Espionage Act. Jeffrey Sterling, another CIA employee. Not familiar with that one. Ended up in prison. He... They tried to get James Risen, right? This is the same one who was the co-author of the December 2005 article, wrote this article about Operation Merlin. Interesting.

And they thought that Jeffrey Sterling was the source, and they ended up trying to get him to testify against his own source, alleged source. several times until they dropped it. Remember, all under Obama. Oh, wow.

And they thought that Jeffrey Sterling was the source, and they ended up trying to get him to testify against his own source, alleged source. several times until they dropped it. Remember, all under Obama. Oh, wow.

And they thought that Jeffrey Sterling was the source, and they ended up trying to get him to testify against his own source, alleged source. several times until they dropped it. Remember, all under Obama. Oh, wow.