Tom Dreisbach

The people that went to trial were virtually all convicted by juries or in some cases by judges. And as these prosecutions have gone on, the facts that emerged have only been more alarming. We've seen more videos of violence. We learned more people had weapons like guns, bats, tasers, pepper spray.

But as Trump ran for president again, he embraced this idea that the violence on January 6th was overblown. He claimed there were no guns, which is not true. And he claimed to supporters that most got a little out of hand, that they've been unjustly prosecuted in his view. And that's a narrative, though, I should say, that judges that actually heard these cases saw the evidence and

But as Trump ran for president again, he embraced this idea that the violence on January 6th was overblown. He claimed there were no guns, which is not true. And he claimed to supporters that most got a little out of hand, that they've been unjustly prosecuted in his view. And that's a narrative, though, I should say, that judges that actually heard these cases saw the evidence and

But as Trump ran for president again, he embraced this idea that the violence on January 6th was overblown. He claimed there were no guns, which is not true. And he claimed to supporters that most got a little out of hand, that they've been unjustly prosecuted in his view. And that's a narrative, though, I should say, that judges that actually heard these cases saw the evidence and

including judges he appointed, they rejected those claims again and again. Okay, now that he won the election, what do we know about Trump's plan for pardons? Well, during the campaign, Trump repeatedly promised to issue pardons on day one, but he's been vague about exactly whom he would pardon. At times, he said it would be on a case-by-case basis.

including judges he appointed, they rejected those claims again and again. Okay, now that he won the election, what do we know about Trump's plan for pardons? Well, during the campaign, Trump repeatedly promised to issue pardons on day one, but he's been vague about exactly whom he would pardon. At times, he said it would be on a case-by-case basis.

including judges he appointed, they rejected those claims again and again. Okay, now that he won the election, what do we know about Trump's plan for pardons? Well, during the campaign, Trump repeatedly promised to issue pardons on day one, but he's been vague about exactly whom he would pardon. At times, he said it would be on a case-by-case basis.

He did say he would be open to pardoning people convicted of assaulting police. The Trump transition team, I asked them about this. They didn't give me any details. They said they would pardon people who were, quote, denied due process. But as I mentioned, most people pleaded guilty. Others decided to try their cases in front of a jury and most lost.

He did say he would be open to pardoning people convicted of assaulting police. The Trump transition team, I asked them about this. They didn't give me any details. They said they would pardon people who were, quote, denied due process. But as I mentioned, most people pleaded guilty. Others decided to try their cases in front of a jury and most lost.

He did say he would be open to pardoning people convicted of assaulting police. The Trump transition team, I asked them about this. They didn't give me any details. They said they would pardon people who were, quote, denied due process. But as I mentioned, most people pleaded guilty. Others decided to try their cases in front of a jury and most lost.

What have they been saying? Well, I spoke to, for example, Aquilino Ganel. He was a sergeant in the Capitol Police on that day. He witnessed some of the worst violence. His injuries actually forced him to retire. And here is what he told me when I asked how he was feeling about the election.

What have they been saying? Well, I spoke to, for example, Aquilino Ganel. He was a sergeant in the Capitol Police on that day. He witnessed some of the worst violence. His injuries actually forced him to retire. And here is what he told me when I asked how he was feeling about the election.

What have they been saying? Well, I spoke to, for example, Aquilino Ganel. He was a sergeant in the Capitol Police on that day. He witnessed some of the worst violence. His injuries actually forced him to retire. And here is what he told me when I asked how he was feeling about the election.

What did I risk my life for, he said. And I also talked with the family of Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick. He was assaulted with pepper spray on January 6th. He died of a stroke the following day. His mom, Gladys, said she's been crying, sometimes just out of the blue.

What did I risk my life for, he said. And I also talked with the family of Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick. He was assaulted with pepper spray on January 6th. He died of a stroke the following day. His mom, Gladys, said she's been crying, sometimes just out of the blue.

What did I risk my life for, he said. And I also talked with the family of Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick. He was assaulted with pepper spray on January 6th. He died of a stroke the following day. His mom, Gladys, said she's been crying, sometimes just out of the blue.

The Sicknick family says they've been devastated to learn that there would be the possibility of pardons for the people who are involved with violence on January 6th, including potentially the man who assaulted Gladys Sicknick's son, Brian, who was sentenced to six years in prison. It is unclear if he'll get a pardon and also get out of prison. That's NPR's Tom Dreisbach. Tom, thank you very much.

The Sicknick family says they've been devastated to learn that there would be the possibility of pardons for the people who are involved with violence on January 6th, including potentially the man who assaulted Gladys Sicknick's son, Brian, who was sentenced to six years in prison. It is unclear if he'll get a pardon and also get out of prison. That's NPR's Tom Dreisbach. Tom, thank you very much.

The Sicknick family says they've been devastated to learn that there would be the possibility of pardons for the people who are involved with violence on January 6th, including potentially the man who assaulted Gladys Sicknick's son, Brian, who was sentenced to six years in prison. It is unclear if he'll get a pardon and also get out of prison. That's NPR's Tom Dreisbach. Tom, thank you very much.

Thanks.