Tom Frieden

At one point,

Which is really interesting.

What this showed was he was exactly right.

If you superimpose what happened on what he said would happen, that's exactly what happened.

So I think part of technical rigor is seeing the pathway to progress.

And that includes technology.

not just RCTs, randomized controlled trials, but includes practice-based evidence.

It includes practical experiences.

And I think often, look, I'm by training a tuberculosis specialist.

randomized control studies started with tuberculosis and we learned how to treat.

So I think they're fantastic, but they're just one form of evidence.

And they're not necessarily the best form of evidence for everything, only for some things.

So when we talk about seeing the pathway to progress, we also have, and this is very relevant for personal health, and I think we have to be really frank about almost certain

likely, possible, or just a guess.

And for a lot of things that are relevant for personal or societal health, you really have to think of which of those categories it fits into if you're going to see the pathway to progress and then figure out how to believe you can make more progress and systematically scale up.

Yes.

Is that true?

Yeah, you know, I think there's, you know, frankly, so much hype

so much sloppy thinking and so much grifting in the personal wellness space that the simple stuff gets lost.

And part of the, you know, C is hard enough.