Tom Hardin

And then... Were you given any probation?

No, no probation either.

Just the time served, which was just the U.S.

Marshal's office, but still the securities fraud conviction.

So this AP reporter writes this nice article about me.

And the producer of the first podcast that was ever on the Rich Roll podcast reached out in 2015.

So the first time I ever shared the story was in 2015 on the Rich Roll podcast.

And the boss of the two FBI agents I was working with, who I had not met, was listening to that episode.

And in 2016, I get this phone call and I see it's that unrestricted number that I remember that the, you know, when the, when your phone rings and it's not, it doesn't say it's the FBI, it's restricted or whatever.

And I remember 2016 thinking, holy shit, this cannot be them.

Like I have already been sentenced.

And my wife was probably thinking, what did you do now?

Right.

I answered, hello.

Hey, Thomas, agent so-and-so at the FBI.

I just heard your whole story on ritual.

It's great.

How are you doing?

I'm like, actually.

not that well, still struggling to find work.