Tom Holland

So how has this American-educated, clean-shaven technocrat come to be foreign minister who's appointed him?

And that great tension between the structures of democracy and the structures of Khomeini's religious-focused rule.

It's so brilliant the CIA have a supply of false wigs and moustaches.

But he didn't have loads of diplomats who were being paraded every day on the TV stations of a very hostile power.

No, I suppose there were hostages in Lebanon, weren't there?

Zbigniew Brzezinski.

I mean, that is ultimately the policy that the United States will adopt, isn't it, towards hostage-taking in the Middle East?

So, I mean, that's why the hostages held by Islamic State were allowed to be killed because there were no negotiations with them.

So I guess it was a lesson learned, maybe.

But, I mean, that's pretty tough for the hostages, right?

Dominic, I think that is the most American sentence we've ever had on the rest of history.

I mean, that is such a great name for them.

So it's Delta Force that sprung Majuro out of Venezuela, right?

Donald Trump said that their operation in Caracas was like a movie.

Their kind of operations, they specialise in things that will then become the subjects of movies, right?

Exactly.

Do they contemplate taking, I don't know, the Iranian foreign minister as hostage or something?

No, I don't think so.

That's what I would have done.

Yeah.