Tom Morris

something that's so prescriptive as, you know, this equals X. But I think having an understanding of the parameters you're working in, it would be really helpful for everyone.

The AFL made the argument in the case against Lance Collard that because he had delivered a homophobic slur before, he was more likely to have done it this time.

Do you think that was a fair argument?

That's a good question.

I think the evidence, as I understand it, was very much that he'd gone through an education process.

He understood the mistake of his ways.

Yeah.

I mean, you could argue that the word has been in his vocabulary at some point in the past.

You could equally argue that

he more than most should deeply know the impact of it, given what he's gone through.

Yeah.

So again, I said this before when we were talking about the Zach Butters case, you are the PA CEO.

So you are clearly, you have a lens from a player's perspective.

So you would agree, I think, that Lance Collard needs to take ownership for his own mistakes in the past.

But what's your message to the LGBTIQA plus community that has also been hurt by what's happened, not just here, but also in the past with Collard and other players?

Yeah, a community of which we've got a lot of our members are part of that community.

And that's why we have such a commitment to inclusion.

That's why we have such a commitment to the voices of that community being heard when these incidents arise.

And we know, having heard from representatives of that community, that's really important.

we want the game to be as inclusive and safe for everyone full stop.