Tom Morris

I think he's a good man, and I think he's a hugely successful umpire as well.

He's umpired a grand final, 270 games.

You could argue he's in the best two or three umpires in the sport, not just in terms of decision-making, but also his manner with the players.

So I trust Nick Foote, but I also know people who know Zach Butters really well.

I've never met him personally myself, and I'm entirely inclined to think that Zach Butters believes he's telling the truth as well.

So...

I think there's a middle ground here.

There's a nuance where you don't have to be against either party.

You can actually support both parties if you're the AFL and reach a conclusion.

In the end, they've gone with the umpire's word over the two players' words.

And you're right.

There are similarities between the Collard case and the Butters case.

Absolutely there are.

The 2v1 component is interesting.

The fact that it's both gone to the tribunal is interesting as well.

But I guess the biggest difference and the discrepancy that I was referring to before with James Gallagher,

is that one is umpire abuse or alleged umpire abuse.

The other is a homophobic slur from a First Nations man that has transgressed in the same way before.

And I think the latter is far more delicate and far more concerning because of the community

that is around that and the LGBTIQA plus community that is clearly impacted by those sorts of words.