Tom Morris

And when it's, when it's come out of Zach's mouth, he's not thinking anything of it because he knows he hasn't done anything wrong.

So I think for a tribunal to find, to be, to be confident enough to find that all

All of those things don't point to the fact that the words weren't said.

Yeah, really disappointed.

Have you spoken to Zach?

Yeah, I have.

What did he say?

Look, we just had a good chat, and I think consistent with he made a very short statement, but he's really disappointed.

And I think, unfortunately, the weight of evidence, which was in his favour, doesn't seem to have carried the day here, and that's concerning.

Is he worried that he's been branded a liar?

I think anytime a person gives evidence and it's not accepted, that sort of cuts quite deeply.

You know, I know Zach well enough.

I know Ollie well.

You know, these are guys that are, you know, really highly revered, true to their word.

I don't think anyone's ever doubted that.

And for the first time that's happened and

I don't think that's a good thing for all of us.

What about the role between umpires and players?

Do you think it's been unhealthy this last 48 to 72 hours?

I don't think it's helped, but I actually don't think this is necessarily about players being umpires.