Tom Nichols

And if we understand the acidity of the soil that produced it, then maybe we can not exceptionalize them, but could understand what's at the heart of what we've produced.

Because Donald Trump is just the boil.

The rod is underneath.

I expected you to, Tom.

That's why I said it.

No, no, no.

You know, I find this very interesting in a number of ways.

And I think part of the difficulty is understanding the convergence of a number of different things without trying to reduce it to one singular thing.

Yeah.

I agree.

So we can talk about greed and class and understand that race is still operative.

We can talk about a range of things all happening, converging.

So when we think about ICE and the policy of immigration—

We have to think about two things, at least to my mind.

One, of course, is we don't really want to have a conversation about how great replacement is animating immigration policy in this country.

We don't want to do or have the historical discussion.

About the way in which the Immigration Act of 1965, that other piece of major legislation passed in 1965, has been the object of scorn since it was signed into law.

And that many of these people are longing for an immigration regime that goes back to 1924.

Right.

The Immigration Act, Johnson Reed Immigration Act, which was basically written by the Klan.