Tom Papa

No, they were, they were pretty similar.

You're pretty locked into what you do and the crowds are always,

you know pretty great pumped up warm-up guy and they're excited to be there and all of that stuff and i mean the rooms could be a little different like conan's back in the day was like the audience was far up in the rafters there's nothing down low and the letterman where colbert is now that sullivan theater it was like nirvana it was just such a perfect atmosphere of like real theater seating and the balcony even was like right on top of you and

it was only the structure of the room that changed because you were doing your thing your way.

And, and it's a, it's a great kind of an environment for sure.

It was, yeah, they were fun to do for sure.

away I mean Kimmel's yeah it's crazy it is definitely different it's not a I mean there's still a thing I can see with young comics where they want to you know check off the Tonight Show and

But it's crazy.

The impact of it is just so different now.

I mean, it's so, like, you can go on a great podcast or have your own podcast or just have your own joke on TikTok and more people will see it than will see that late night show.

Absolutely.

Which is so bizarre because it's still fun to do.

Those shows are still great.

But it's almost like the infrastructure even for doing those shows is so they can get content for social media.

For social media.

It's such a bizarre... I mean, it's so fun.

You get to go in and you're in a dressing room and there's somebody cool on the show and this host is amazing and you walk out and the cameras and it's show business.

It's so great.

Glitzy and glamour.

But the impact that it has for your career is so diminished from what it was.