Tom Papa

And I think...

my age, like that have like run businesses or like the, you know, the politicians, you'll read stories and it's like, I do not see myself as them.

I still see myself as like the 25 year old being like, right guys, like the things I say, like, I don't,

is that funny i don't think i've grown up yet yeah i don't think i've grown up complete like i have a family i've paid my bills i do things but there's another part of me that truly truly feels like i just got here and i'm like is this is this gonna work

Yeah.

I think the part of it,

I don't know.

I mean, it could be a mental deficiency, but it could also be a... If you're constantly making stuff, then you're always going to be a little vulnerable.

Yeah.

If you're always trying to make stuff and feel like, will this be better than the last time?

Does anybody like it?

You always kind of have this feeling of uncertainty.

Sure.

You're never really on solid ground.

So I think that that makes you feel...

It may not be youthful, but it makes you feel vulnerable.

So as much as you can have things on your resume and all that, you still feel a little wobbly when you've got to take this new...

dumb idea that you have and think that it's important enough for all these people to listen to it and respond the way that you want them to.

My favorite bread to make is, you know, it's all sourdough based.

It all comes from that method and using that starter as your yeast.