Tom Papa

Jeez.

It is a real problem.

It seems like some are starting to require that people come back and they're starting to see that we have kind of lost something.

It seems like these corporations across industries are starting to ask people to show up.

Yeah, I know.

I feel like the younger... My daughter's just out of school and...

It seems like they kind of recognize that.

They see it as, this is our time to hang out.

Yeah, and they go out to events and they do all the stuff that I say no to.

Because I've run out of steam.

But that had to be a great time.

I mean, man, I mean, in New York, at the Times, having stuff coming out.

That had to be, yeah.

I went over and visited, I brought my daughter to see Sam Sifton.

He took us through, I forget what we were doing,

He had put me in the times as making a bread.

It was actually a really important moment because I had been making bread for six weeks.

And somehow he heard that I had a sourdough starter and they did a story on bread again.

And we became friendly after that.

And he brought my daughter through.