Tom Papa

Yeah.

impossible but the book thing is with the whole bestseller marketing of books like you have your specials and they they're huge and they have you you feel the impact of it yeah you know the numbers and you you know millions of people and all that kind of stuff and then you go do a a uh a book signing and there's 30 people and you're like oh boy and and the bookshop is like isn't this great

Yeah.

And you're like, I don't know, is it?

I don't either.

I haven't been on the list.

My one was close to being on the list, but I didn't even know what that meant.

And then when I talk to people in interviews and whatever, and they're like, I'll tell you how to do it.

And they're like,

Tell you what to do.

Yeah, they have like bulk buys or do this kind of... Like they work it.

They work it.

I don't know if they buy it themselves.

Right.

feel good yeah i don't really care right yeah i mean i respect when people just want to be successful and they don't care how they get it i know that looks so nice that looks relaxing all the time oh my god if you just didn't care just don't care about do whatever you have to just whore yourself out yeah and just do it and be cool with it yeah i know

It's wild.

I know it is wild.

I don't have that.

I think if there's like an ego meter, like you have to get to a certain threshold where that you're cool with that.

And we all have it, but you can be a little lower on it, where that becomes problematic.