Tom Truman

Right.

Right.

If you don't have the medical examiner saying homicide, you got a big problem.

If you don't have the medical examiner saying homicide, you got a big problem.

I think that's a fair assessment.

I think that's a fair assessment.

That was a big part of it. Now we have a medical examiner that says it caused a manner of death, and it fit the bill for a first-degree murder.

That was a big part of it. Now we have a medical examiner that says it caused a manner of death, and it fit the bill for a first-degree murder.

There were not a lot of bets that said we would get a conviction.

There were not a lot of bets that said we would get a conviction.

Very important. Yes.

Very important. Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes. Imagine that. A defendant that's not forthright and truthful.

Yes. Imagine that. A defendant that's not forthright and truthful.

There were benzodiazepines in his system. She had a prescription for them.

There were benzodiazepines in his system. She had a prescription for them.

Oh, yeah. It could have been in his cereal, could have been in his drink.

Oh, yeah. It could have been in his cereal, could have been in his drink.