Tom Warren

I can't see them running into the ground.

And I think some of the people that have been coming up with this theory, and one of them is obviously an Xbox co-founder, which is interesting.

But I think it's rooted in the idea that Nadella doesn't want hardware, right?

Which notoriously, Windows Phone, you know,

Don't get me started.

Yeah.

Maybe.

But this time he was there when the Activision deal went down.

But yeah, I can't see them running the console into the ground.

I think there is a realisation over the past couple of years, the reaction to them putting games on PlayStation and Switch and...

them really devaluing the console and their core this is their like only remaining consumer brand yep that's that's successful and all right we can't really call it successful right now perhaps i don't know like it's in a weird spot right but it's still a respected brand a known brand across the world whereas windows is in a weird spot surface is pretty much span towards commercial really

And yeah, this is the last one.

If they mess this up, then they don't have that inroads to consumer, which also punishes them in AI as well.

So I think there's a realization of that.

So I just can't see that they would completely exit out of the base of what's known as Xbox.

And I think if they were going to do that, Asher's not the person for that.

I think the person to do that would be Matt Booty.

You'd promote him and then just focus on shipping games.

Yeah.

So I think you do that if you're in the demo and that's what you truly wanted.