Tom Warren

It didn't happen.

But behind the scenes, I know that Xbox fans had heard, expected that this was going to happen.

Sarah Bond would be the heir apparent.

But behind the scenes for a good year or so, I've been hearing different things about Sarah Bond.

Different from what,

Perhaps the public perception is of her and just different, just not what you'd expect, I guess, from what you see of her and stuff.

So to me, it wasn't a surprise.

I was not surprised to see her not named, but I think it was more of a surprise to see Asher named.

Right.

Like that was that was kind of the surprise to me.

I know Asha a little bit.

I've spoken to her a few times, but she's like a non-gamer.

She's very straight about that and honest about it.

But not that that really matters, I don't think, to be a CEO, really, to be honest.

But to Xbox fans and that gaming segment, if they see a non-gamer, it's like...

particularly with Xbox I think because Phil has kind of instilled that over the years they've come to that expectation so yeah I think that was the surprise of it but I don't think Cerebon was a surprise to me

It's a couple of things, right?

So obviously Microsoft came in as balloon now, right?

Because it's got Bethesda, obviously Activision Blizzard has made it bigger than ever before, right?

And then you've got this tension of...