Tom Warren

Are people going to use that platform on their devices?

That's the big question.

Yeah, no, I totally agree.

I think the badge concept was super interesting.

I think it's just, where does it go from there?

They showed some other sort of vague devices, didn't they?

That they obviously weren't focusing on, but I think it's... They tried this with Cortana.

Do you remember?

They had thermostats, speakers, and obviously that was before we called that... That was machine learning back then, right?

Now it's AI.

But...

Yeah, that didn't really go anywhere, and they kind of abandoned that.

So I'm just like, that's why I'm so skeptical, because I've seen them try and do this so many times in the past.

But I think they have the right vision, but I worry that someone else will just do it.

No, I think so.

They've been trying to win back developers' trust and confidence.

in Windows in particular for quite some time now.

And obviously a lot of developers just use Mac OS or they might be on Linux as well.

So they've been trying to get those people to sort of take Windows seriously for development.

And they did the Windows subsystem for Linux many years ago.