Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic

Call them rule breakers.

Thank you.

Thank you.

It's great to see you.

And so good to be here.

Let me start by saying that I've been listening to both of you for a while.

So it's sort of like being starstruck and also, you know, nice.

And I have butterflies in my stomach for being here with you.

It's great to be here.

yes so i am born and raised in argentina buenos aires and i spent exactly half of my life there before leaving for the uk for one year to kind of start my second career stint so i went to london

for one year and ended up staying 15, became an academic in the first part of my career, started as an organizational psychologist at university, but always really cared about the applied side of things, then moved into consulting, started businesses,

some point moved to the US where I started running R&D and innovation for Hogan Assessments, then became CEO there.

That's how I became acquainted with Russell Reynolds originally.

Leadership Span was a co-creation with me being on the other side and a proprietary leadership advisory assessment tool

was created maybe six, seven years ago.

And then still in the US, I moved on to run analytics and then innovation for Manpower Group, which is a large hiring and staffing company.

So I changed quite a bit in terms of the platforms where I operated, but I've always been obsessed with talent and leadership and sort of like bridging the gap between science and practice.

making organizations more data-driven when they think about selecting or developing leaders.

That has been my obsession, and it's still what keeps me up at night.

Well, I had been meaning and wanting to join for a while our mission, which is to influence and improve how the world is led.