Tommy Vietor

You mentioned the cost of electricity going up.

That's happening as Trump is killing off all these clean energy projects just left and right.

I mean, it's just this ideological driven sort of attack on the consumer that seems like it's going to harm him.

Yeah, that's exactly right.

There are some Democrats, I'm sure you've heard this argument, who kind of look around the country.

They see the ICE raids.

They see troops in the streets.

They see the administration defying court orders.

They see this rescissions process where no matter what you guys negotiate in good faith, the OMB just claws back that money.

And they see that and they think Democrats shouldn't fund this government for any reason, given all those factors.

What's your response to that argument?

Yeah, it seems like the bare minimum they should do.

So House Republicans are on vacation.

They're not in D.C., I don't think.

The White House is using the shutdown as a pretext to lay off thousands of federal workers.

Trump is tweeting out videos where he calls his OMB director the grim reaper.

There are times where I look at the dynamic on the Republican side, and I wonder if these guys actually really want to reopen the government.

But you seem more hopeful than I am.

Yeah.

Good point.