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I mean, maybe they won't have the capacity to support proxies.

Maybe they won't have the capacity to do things that we're worried about, but I don't know.

I wouldn't want to bet on it.

And it's a lot more coherent, cohesive of a country.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think there's almost certainly a scenario where Trump and the Israelis will bomb the shit out of a lot of like advanced military infrastructure that will in the near term at least reduce the threat to the US or Israel.

But it will not in any way reduce the threat to the people that we are telling to take to the streets and rise up because you don't need an ICBM to kill a protester.

You just need a gun and they are all over Iran.

Ben, speaking of kind of incoherence, so the Democratic Party's response, a bit a little all over the place.

Some Democrats have been great and we can talk about them if you want.

Some Democrats have fully endorsed the war, which is just absolutely insane to me, given the recent history in Iraq, in Libya, for example, or more generally that you would trust Donald Trump.

Yeah.

and Pete Hegseth with a task like this.

I think you have lost your mind if you are co-signing this process, but we'll find out.

And then you have a bunch of Democrats, like we discussed over the weekend, that have focused their condemnation on the process, the need to get a vote from Congress to authorize a war, or the need to clearly spell out the goals to the American people.

And obviously, I agree with both of those criticisms, but the ship has kind of sailed there, so we're in a tough spot.

The one thing I would just like, I want to implore Democrats listening,

to loudly condemn the war on the merits.

Like it is not popular.

This does not pull well.