Tommy Vitor

and the Israeli government and encouraging them to militarily conduct regime change.

And look, I should say, I have a lot of friends in the diaspora.

who have sincere interests, obviously, in seeing a better future for the Iranian people, of being able to return to places that they either themselves left or their parents left.

But I want to ask you, what is the gap between...

people inside Iran and the diaspora?

Is this a challenge that the diaspora is just kind of not organized enough to, you know, help be a part of a transition?

Is it a challenge that they're kind of out of touch with what's actually happening in the country?

You know, in Libya we worked with the Diaspora Transitional Council that

just had no ability to manage the transition.

That's part of how Libya fell apart.

And I put that on us in the Obama administration.

But what is the role of the diaspora here?

And how would you describe kind of the difference between, say, a Reza Pahlavi movement versus what is feasible in Iran?

You touched on it a little bit, but I think it's worth unpacking.

Yeah, it's just an incredibly difficult situation.

Like you, I admire the solidarity that's been shown, the attention that's been drawn, but I think there's kind of a good lesson there and the need to really construct that viable alternative both inside and outside of Iran.

that's the only pathway to something different and better, whether it's soon or whether it's after the Supreme Leader dies or whenever it is.

Well, look, Ali, people should watch you follow your work at Crisis Group.

You're prolific there.

You're on social media, so people should follow you there.