Tommy Vitor

So when Trump came along in 2016, um,

you know, I mean, people don't remember this now, but like Fox was not a big booster of Trump in 2016.

I mean, they tried to torpedo him in that first debate and it created a problem for Fox that they needed just to produce like a compelling television segment.

They needed someone who was camera ready to go on the shows and at least not bash Trump, at least sort of be, you know, open to the possibility of Trump and Tucker, who was kind of on the

third or fourth rung of the Fox pundit roster at that point.

He was willing to do that, I think, because he did believe it.

And he started getting a lot more airtime.

And that was kind of how his star rose.

I mean, he was not like a huge Trump supporter necessarily.

And he, I think, had a lot of personal qualms about Trump.

But he did see kind of how the issues that Trump was banging on might resonate.

And that gave him his break.

And that was sort of his ticket out of

you know, the Fox kind of Netherland, another world of, you know, the weekend morning show.

I mean, I guess God forbid that only describes your only secretary of defense these days.

So for a while, for a while, Tucker was like the great success, you know, getting from the morning show.

Now, Hegseth, I guess, has surpassed him.

Yeah, there are a lot of steps along the way as I try to detail in the book.

I do think, though, you can't consider what Tucker is today without –

Thinking about that John Stewart appearance because, I mean, he killed – Stewart killed Crossfire and he really killed Tucker's career.