Tony Alexander

And we Kiwis, of course, we're being locked down, well, sort of not able to get in and out of the country easily for two years.

We want to do our OE, the overseas experience.

And we also, with a soaring cost of living, high house prices, rising interest rates, people are basically looking at earning some more money in Australia.

And I think we're going to have some pretty big outflows from New Zealand at a minimum to Australia.

Some go further afield, usually to London.

Yeah, definitely.

This is a characteristic, I guess, for New Zealand.

We pretty much all view Australia as part of the labour market we can go into.

And as long as you don't have a bad conviction or you're not already a 501 deportee out of Australia...

You know, next week you can be on a plane and working anywhere across, you know, where we are now in Oz.

And New Zealand has a history where our migration numbers tend to get moved around a lot by Kiwis going overseas or coming back.

In Australia, it's different.

For yourselves, it's more definitely the migration policy of the federal government.

For ourselves, we've had massive periods in the past, many occasions over the generations,

where conditions are very strong in Australia, usually in the mineral sector, we Kiwis will hop across to Australia, we say to ourselves, I'm going to work here for three to five years, make a nest egg, and then go back to New Zealand.

Well, most do not go back.

There's about 650,000 Kiwi citizens and residents still in Australia.

And as I say, whereas in the past it was predominantly into the mineral sector,

This time around, the demand is coming from virtually all sectors in Australia.

You don't have enough builders, drain layers, carpenters, et cetera.