Tony Blair

And, you know, it's something, it's one of those really interesting things, you know, because I think being a political leader is the same as leading a company or a community center or a, you know, or a football team.

It all comes to the same thing, but you realize that,

It's such an obvious thing to say that it's all about the people, but it's all about the people.

If you get really good, strong, determined people who share your vision and are prepared to get behind and really push, then you don't need that many of them actually to change a country, but they do need to be there.

You know, absolutely.

And they can get really good people.

And, you know, one of the things you actually learn about being at the top of a government is, you know, pretty much if you pick up the phone to someone and say, I need you to come and to help, that they will come.

I think the problem's not that.

The problem is that

Number one, and I say this often to the leaders that I work with, because we work in roughly 40 different countries in the world today, and that's only growing.

We have teams of people that go and live and work alongside the president's team, and I talk and exchange views with the president or the prime minister.

Very often, the two problems are these.

Number one, people confuse

ambitions with policies.

So often I will speak to a leader and I say, so what are your policies?

And he'll give me a list of things.

And I say to them, those aren't really policies, they're just ambitions.

And ambitions in politics are very easy to have because they're just general expressions of good intention.

The problem comes with the second

challenge, which is that though politics at one level is very crude, right?