Tony Blair

They've chosen for political reasons.

And then they try and shape a policy around that politics.

And it never works.

Because the most important thing, and this is why I say to you about policymakers and intellectual business, is you've got to get the right answer.

And there is a right answer, by the way.

And often, the reason why it's so difficult to govern today is there's so much political noise

It's hard to get out of that zone of noise and sit in a room with some people who really know what they're talking about and go into the detail of what is the solution to a problem.

And, you know, sometimes when I talk to leaders about this and I find that they just say to me,

I don't have the time to do that.

And I say, if you don't have the time to do that, you are going to fail.

Because in the end, you won't have the right answer.

And you've got to believe over time that the best policy is the best politics.

Over time.

Yeah, I think it is to a degree.

I mean, I think the other thing is, you undergo a lot of attack today in politics.

And at a certain level, what happens, I mean, it could happen to celebrities, but they tend to have at least some sort of fan base that are constantly supporting them.

But with politics today, you can often be in a situation where

you know, you're almost dehumanized, right?

You're subject to attacks on your integrity, your character, you know, what your intentions, you know, it's possible if you're not careful that you're just sitting there thinking it is really unfair and you get distracted from focusing on the business.

And that's why I will say to people, one part of being a political leader or any leader, I think,