Tony Hawk

I'm still learning these tricks.

That's enough for me.

And then I realized that, oh, this is dying in popularity because that skate park closed.

And then I ended up localizing a different park.

And I got very lucky in that that was one of two skate parks open in the U.S.

in those years.

95, yeah.

I would say that that was definitely a catalyst, yeah.

The years 92 to 95 were very tricky to make a living as a skateboarder or having a skate company.

It just wasn't popular.

Parks couldn't afford liability insurance, skate parks.

So everyone took to the streets.

That became the movement.

That was kind of not my style, obviously.

So I ended up starting a skate company in those years and getting more of a street team so that I could still be in the industry and I could facilitate them with opportunities, hopefully, because of what I had learned.

But it was tricky.

I mean, I guess I don't think of those years as such a struggle.

It was just more of a learning process.

Yeah, I never thought of dire straits.

I never thought of what happens if this doesn't work.